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bill smith said:
Well...gotta hit the hay but here's a few bones to chew on. See you tomorrow.

'Hurricane Erin '- Not many know that a major hurricane - Hurricane Erin - was in the Atlantic Ocean in September of 2001. In fact, Erin was closest to NYC at its largest size on 9/11 itself. Interestingly, the National Hurricane Center projected Erin to be stronger than it projected Katrina to be four years later. '

What is really interesting about this is that the Hurrucane was never mentiond or shown by graphic on the morning news of 9/11.
'Smoking Gun: Shouldn’t they have prepared the upper-east coast for this major storm?? How were they so sure this humongous hurricane would make a sharp right-hand turn away from New York and head back out to sea? Weather reports on Long Island indicated rain'
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lANTI2ZlyRU&eurl=http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin2.html Astronuts see no hurricane
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ARE YOU FREAKING SERIOUS?!?!?!? The US is being ATTACKED, and you want the local news to tell people about a HURRICANE that is headed AWAY from the US Coast??? Are you FREAKING SERIOUS?!?!?!? Can I studie this just for shock value???

Suprisingly, Hurricane prediction is ACTUALLY pretty accurate. A few years ago (2004 IIRC) Florida was preparing for the landfall of Hurricane Charlie. They forcasted it to hit the Tampa area directly. Guess what?? They really were only about 100 miles or so off, as it officially came ashore in Punta Gorda.

Hurricane Floyd (1999???) Was a MASSIBE hurricane. It was forcasted to come off the coast, slow down, then make a massive turn towards the North. Guess what?? It did EXACTLY that.

So, by your logic, this is how we that morning should have went.

"BEAKING NEWS!! America is under attack!! BUT FIRST, our weather forcast indicates a hurricane will be turning away from the US, and having no threat to the coast. Back to you Bill."

"In other, less important news, the WTC in NYC was attacked this morning by......"

We interrupt this beaking news to tell you that a hurriane will have NO effect on the US whatsoever. Back to you Bill."

NO.
 
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It''s almost funny watching you guys. It's almost as if you were professonal deniers. bill says black- we say white...whatever it is.

Erin is ot really my conspiracy in that I have not really researched it. But there is no way to say that it is not interesting and all I have said so far is on the public record. Yet you guys move into full defence mode.
 
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Not quite defence, more like, "How much more dumb could these arguments get" mode.

Do you think that we should have been covering a hurricane that was predicted to move away from the US when we were in the middle of a ******* attack???

Yes or no.
 
triforcharity said:
Not quite defence, more like, "How much more dumb could these arguments get" mode.

Do you think that we should have been covering a hurricane that was predicted to move away from the US when we were in the middle of a ******* attack???

Yes or no.
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It will be obvious that a hurricane bigger than Katrina hovering off the coast of New York on 9/11 is very important news. It was there BEFORE anything was known about the 9/11 attacks. It was just another day as far as anybody knew. Yet it was not reported on the morning news on 9/11 (I've seen at least one TV clip of a morning weather advisory broadcast before the attacks and it's not mentioned at all)

And why were no warnings given or preparations made to deal with the massive destruction that such a huge hurricane could cause - and did cause in the case of Katrina which was actually smaller than the one off New York on 9/11 ?

For you to say that this behaviour is not surprising is ....I can't think of the word......
 
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bill smith said:
It will be obvious that a hurricane bigger than Katrina hovering off the coast of New York on 9/11 is very important news. It was there BEFORE anything was known about the 9/11 attacks. It was just another day as far as anybody knew. Yet it was not reported on the morning news on 9/11 (I've seen at least one TV clip of a morning weather advisory broadcast before the attacks and it's not mentioned at all)

And why were no warnings given or preparations made to deal with the massive destruction that such a huge hurricane could cause - and did cause in the case of Katrina which was actually smaller than the one off New York on 9/11 ?

For you to say that this behaviour is not surprising is ....I can't think of the word......
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Please open a new thread about it, or was it already discussed extensively?

An aggressive "debunker" respond is a strong indication, that you have a good point.
 
bio said:
Please open a new thread about it, or was it already discussed extensively?

An aggressive "debunker" respond is a strong indication, that you have a good point.
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Yhis line of research always leads to Judy Woods. If you think this is a strong debunker response try going down that road. To tell the Truth I've always been intrigued about the srength of reaction that her name invokes- not only among debunkers but also among most of the Truth Movement.

I wonder where she's at these days ? It would be interesting to get her over here.

I'm a bit superstitious about opening threads. I've never done so yet. One or two have been opened in my name but not by me. If you want to open one I will certainly participate.
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1615521411849861778
I'm just curious if anyone can tell me which documentary this is from. I've seen this clip multiple times and if possible I'd like to look into buying the DVD of this. I'm rather interested in watching this video in full
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It's from PBS Nova "Why The Towers Fell"


Google Video This video is not hosted by the ISF, the ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
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An excellent account.

ETA Copies of the original programme available HERE you'll have to fork out a bit though.

BV
 
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bonavada said:
It's from PBS Nova "Why The Towers Fell"


Google Video This video is not hosted by the ISF, the ISF can not be held responsible for the suitability or legality of this material. By clicking the link below you agree to view content from an external website.
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An excellent account.

BV
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The second you get an image onscreen freeze the video. Then click it through until the plane magically appears coming from behind the building.

Did they know this when they put the video into circulation ? Of course they did.Nothing like a missing plane to set the conspiracy hounds running. lol

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6402347900887643799
 
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bill smith said:
It will be obvious that a hurricane bigger than Katrina hovering off the coast of New York on 9/11 is very important news. It was there BEFORE anything was known about the 9/11 attacks.
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It was 1,000 miles away from the US and heading away from the US coast. No force of man or nature could make it turn toward the US.
 
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Yea, an "aggressive debunker response" means you're on to something, bill. LOL.

CODE RED. CODE RED!!!!! :boggled:
 
Al long island is 118 miles long from brooklyn to montauk
(get the ruler a tad more accurate)
that being said and living on it all my life
the last major hurricane we had here was "Gloria" in (IIRC) 1986

hurricanes get up here but they are usually downgraded to tropical depressions at worst by the time they arrive
the water in the atlantic is too cold even in the summer this far north
(think of the "shrinkage" episode of Seinfeld lol)

9/11/01 started out as a beautiful calm day
 
Justin39640 said:
Al long island is 118 miles long from brooklyn to montauk
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Right you are. Somehow I've had "200 miles" in my head for the length of LI for a long, long time. As a New Yorker, I've been west of Queens only once that I can recall.
 
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Can anyone give me a concise explanation of why some people think that hurricane is related to 9/11. I try to avoid clicking on links to lunatic websites so I am avoiding Woods.
 
I second that request. There was a hurricane in the North Atlantic, that was not predicted to hit the US coast. It was "not reported on the morning news" (according to bill smith).

What in the world does this have to do with anything?
 
DavidJames said:
Can anyone give me a concise explanation of why some people think that hurricane is related to 9/11. I try to avoid clicking on links to lunatic websites so I am avoiding Woods.
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I guess to some people, EVERYTHING is a dot to be connected.
 
carlitos said:
I second that request. There was a hurricane in the North Atlantic, that was not predicted to hit the US coast. It was "not reported on the morning news" (according to bill smith).

What in the world does this have to do with anything?
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The theory, as I understand it, is that the energy of the hurricane was harvested by the HAARP array and used to power an energy beam that was used to destroy the Twin Towers. Sadly, this is not a theory it's possible to find expounded in any detail without clicking on lunatic websites, more or less by definition.

Dave
 
bill smith said:
'Smoking Gun: Shouldn’t they have prepared the upper-east coast for this major storm?? How were they so sure this humongous hurricane would make a sharp right-hand turn away from New York and head back out to sea? Weather reports on Long Island indicated rain'
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=199&Itemid=60

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lANTI2ZlyRU&eurl=http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/erin2.html Astronuts see no hurricane
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NHC discussion number 34 said:
ZCZC MIATCDAT1 ALL
TTAA00 KNHC DDHHMM
HURRICANE ERIN DISCUSSION NUMBER 34
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
5 PM EDT MON SEP 10 2001

A NOAA P-3 RESEARCH AIRCRAFT IS CURRENTLY INVESTIGATING ERIN.
FLIGHT LEVEL AND DROPSONDE DATA SUGGEST THAT THE WINDS ARE DOWN TO
100 KNOTS...PERHAPS LESS. THE ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE OF
970 MB IS A COMPROMISE BETWEEN A DROP NOT FAR FROM THE CENTER AND
VALUES EXTRAPOLATED FROM FLIGHT LEVEL. THE WIND PROFILE SUGGESTS
THAT ERIN HAS FORMED A CONCENTRIC EYEWALL...WHICH IS TYPICAL OF THE
MORE INTENSE HURRICANES. ONLY SLOW WEAKENING IS FORECAST...AT A
SIMILAR RATE AS SHOWN IN THE PREVIOUS ADVISORY.

INITIAL MOTION IS ABOUT 340/7...A LITTLE SLOWER THAN BEFORE. EVEN
MORE SLOWING IS FORECAST AS ERIN TRIES TO MOVE THROUGH A
MID-TROPOSPHERIC RIDGE. THERE HAS BEEN LITTLE CHANGE TO THE
FORECAST TRACK OR PHILOSOPHY. A SERIES OF MID-LATITUDE TROUGHS
MOVING OFF THE NORTHEAST U.S. COAST SHOULD BREAK DOWN THE RIDGE AND
EVENTUALLY MOVE ERIN TO THE NORTHEAST. IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN
WHETHER ERIN WILL SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECT THE CANADIAN MARITIMES. THE
CURRENT OFFICIAL TRACK KEEPS THE CYCLONE OFFSHORE...BUT THAT COULD
CHANGE.

LARGE SWELLS GENERATED BY ERIN WILL LIKELY BE A HAZARD ALONG THE
NORTHEAST U.S. COAST DURING THE NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS.

FORECASTER PASCH

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INITIAL 10/2100Z 36.0N 65.4W 100 KTS
12HR VT 11/0600Z 36.9N 65.5W 95 KTS
24HR VT 11/1800Z 37.5N 64.0W 90 KTS
36HR VT 12/0600Z 38.4N 62.0W 85 KTS
48HR VT 12/1800Z 39.5N 59.5W 80 KTS
72HR VT 13/1800Z 42.0N 55.0W 70 KTS


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Taken from here (bolding about the offshore comment mine):
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/archive/2001/dis/al062001.discus.034.html


You can change the 034 in the address above to other numbers and see the discussion as they happened.
 
bill smith said:
It''s almost funny watching you guys. It's almost as if you were professonal deniers. bill says black- we say white...whatever it is.

Erin is ot really my conspiracy in that I have not really researched it. But there is no way to say that it is not interesting and all I have said so far is on the public record. Yet you guys move into full defence mode.
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You post pure claptrap and you are getting better at claptrap posting than converging on 911 knowledge. By mentioning Dr Judy Wood, the truly insane 911 conspiracy theorist with beam weapons blazing, you have reached the bottom of the pit of 911 ignorance and seem to be prepared to dig further at a rate faster than free-fall.


Hurricane Erin top winds 120 mph compared to Katrina at 175 mph. The size of the cloud cover does not make the storm stronger. Erin was not bigger! You lied. Bigger means stronger in Hurricane land so a weak storm, Erin, is not bigger than a stronger storm Katrina. You and Judy Wood are measuring the cloud cover that means a simple cold front is bigger than Katrina. You found your fellow delusion maker on 911 issues with the insane Judy. She got fired for spewing woo to her classes.

Erin quickly intensified and reached peak winds of 120 mph (195 km/h) later on September 9. At its closest approach, Erin passed 105 miles (170 km) east-northeast of Bermuda near peak intensity, and subsequently weakened as it turned to the east. A trough turned Erin to the northeast, and after passing just east of Cape Race, Newfoundland it became extratropical on September 15. The extratropical remnant continued northeastward and lost its identity near Greenland on September 17. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Erin_(2001)
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