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Hey Tri. I am not really interested in Silverstein. I leave that to other people who think it has real significance. I often find that 'Lucky Larry' arguments end inconclusively.

To be clear, I don't think LS has much significance for the larger narrative of 9/11. His ramblings on PBS are just preposterous enough to be interesting, but not particularly relevant to understanding 9/11 as a whole. Certainly, no one could take him too seriously when he asserted that 6 yrs after 9/11 he thought the North Tower Antenna caused WTC 7 to collapse.
 
So you mean that the guys you mention are not Shills ? So they must be what I call 'Saps' in that case ? I once put together a post on the various types and grades of debunker. I can dig it out if you want to see it.

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Wow just found a few firefighters statements that I hadn''t seen. Thought you (and the readers)might enjoy them.

Deputy Fire C ommissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick. [Source: City of New York]Numerous witnesses to the collapse of the south WTC tower think it resembles a demolition using explosives. Some initially believe this is what is occurring:
Reporter John Bussey watches the collapse from the Wall Street Journal’s offices across the street from the WTC. He say s, “I… looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor, spewing glass and metal outward. One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.” [Wall Street Journal, 9/12/2001]
Deputy Fire Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick: “I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.… Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.” [City of New York, 10/1/2001]
Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory: “I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista… he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him… I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.… You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw.” [City of New York, 10/3/2001]
Firefighter Richard Banaciski: “It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]
Firefighter Joseph Meola: “As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops.… You thought it was just blowing out.” [City of New York, 12/11/2001]
Fire Chief Frank Cruthers: “[T]here was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.” [City of New York, 10/31/2001]
Battalion Chief Brian Dixon: “I was watching the fire… the lowest floor of fire in the South Tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see—I could see two sides of it and the other side—it just looked like that floor blew out.… I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.” [City of New York, 10/25/2001]
Firefighter Timothy Burke: “Then the building popped, lower than the fire… I was going oh, my god, there is secondary device because the way the building popped I thought it was an explosion.” [City of New York, 1/22/2002]
Firefighter Edward Cachia: “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]
Firefighter Kenneth Rogers: “[T]here was an explosion in the South Tower… I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing.” [City of New York, 12/10/2001]
Reporter Beth Fertig: “The tower went down perfectly straight, as if a demolition crew had imploded it. I wondered if it was being brought down deliberately.” [Gilbert et al., 2002, pp. 78]
 
More silent explosives, bill? Remember, there were no sounds of explosives. How do you explain that?
 
More silent explosives, bill? Remember, there were no sounds of explosives. How do you explain that?

No even in that list there are firefighters who specifically said that they actually heard the explosions. In all there are thousands of these reports of massive explosions.

. Therefore the few cameras there were all defective at recording that range of sound. Just another 9/11 coincidence. God knows there were plenty of those. (It's that or the government and friends tampered with the sound. This is entirely possible as the video all came through their channels) I actually have video that shows an example of where the government tampered with the audio. I imagine you want to see it. Just ask.
 
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''Richard Gage, AIA, founder of Architects and Engineers for 911 truth, and Ron Craig, explosives and Hollywood special effects expert locked horns in their second live radio debate in two years. The exchange was hosted by Richard Syrett of The Conspiracy Show.

While no data is available yet for listenership numbers, we do know that the show could be heard from Thunderbay Ontario to the Carolinas....from Maine to Minnesota, NYC, Chicago, Washington and all points in between. Also, the program is offered as a podcast, so it will be available on iTunes as a download. It's the most downloaded show on the radio station – Zoomer Radio from Ontario. The show will also be broadcast on TV''

LISTEN TO THE DEBATE NOW.
http://www.ae911truth.org/media/100110-Richard_Gage_v_Ron_Craig-2of2.mp3

Damn, this is good. Roll on 2010.
 
Wow just found a few firefighters statements that I hadn''t seen. Thought you (and the readers)might enjoy them.

Deputy Fire C ommissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick. [Source: City of New York]Numerous witnesses to the collapse of the south WTC tower think it resembles a demolition using explosives. Some initially believe this is what is occurring:
Reporter John Bussey watches the collapse from the Wall Street Journal’s offices across the street from the WTC. He say s, “I… looked up out of the office window to see what seemed like perfectly synchronized explosions coming from each floor, spewing glass and metal outward. One after the other, from top to bottom, with a fraction of a second between, the floors blew to pieces.” [Wall Street Journal, 9/12/2001]
Deputy Fire Commissioner Thomas Fitzpatrick: “I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building.… Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.” [City of New York, 10/1/2001]
Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory: “I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista… he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him… I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.… You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That’s what I thought I saw.” [City of New York, 10/3/2001]
Firefighter Richard Banaciski: “It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]
Firefighter Joseph Meola: “As we are looking up at the building, what I saw was, it looked like the building was blowing out on all four sides. We actually heard the pops.… You thought it was just blowing out.” [City of New York, 12/11/2001]
Fire Chief Frank Cruthers: “[T]here was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse.” [City of New York, 10/31/2001]
Battalion Chief Brian Dixon: “I was watching the fire… the lowest floor of fire in the South Tower actually looked like someone had planted explosives around it because the whole bottom I could see—I could see two sides of it and the other side—it just looked like that floor blew out.… I thought, geez, this looks like an explosion up there, it blew out.” [City of New York, 10/25/2001]
Firefighter Timothy Burke: “Then the building popped, lower than the fire… I was going oh, my god, there is secondary device because the way the building popped I thought it was an explosion.” [City of New York, 1/22/2002]
Firefighter Edward Cachia: “It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.” [City of New York, 12/6/2001]
Firefighter Kenneth Rogers: “[T]here was an explosion in the South Tower… I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing.” [City of New York, 12/10/2001]
Reporter Beth Fertig: “The tower went down perfectly straight, as if a demolition crew had imploded it. I wondered if it was being brought down deliberately.” [Gilbert et al., 2002, pp. 78]

Hmmmm....
 
bill smith reminds me of little bird who sees a bowl of fruit in a house with a big plate glass window, and keep bumping into the window trying to bet to the fruit.
You can praise the persistence, but God, the bird is stupid.
 
Well we all know that nothing looks more like an explosion than an explosion does. eh ? These multiple reports confirm that fact. Thank you very much.



Wait... It's not enough you go back to 2006 "ignore the similes" style... You also try the "all explosions =CD" and the "debunkers think there were no explosions" technique!

It's oldies day on WWTF
Wait... What The ****!??!?!
Truther
TrutherTruther
Truther... Rrrrrrrradio!!!!!
 
At the beginning of the debate the poll already showed that 15% of voters reckoned that the Towers were brought down by planes and fire. Only 0.6% of voters thought that it was an inside job.

One hour later approx 83% of voters were saying one thing and 13% approx were saying the other. Can you guess which was which ? lol
 
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A good analogy for Richard Gage to use might be two men standing side-by-side. In one man his skeleton vanishes from the neck down at freefall speed as the head comes down allowing him to subside bonelessly around his own shoes.

In the other man his skeleton does not vanish sequentially at freefall speed as the head comes down. It either stops the head or causes it to fall to one side while the main body remains standing.

I think this could be made to reach out to people in a much more personal way that they can completely relate to..
 
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Wait... It's not enough you go back to 2006 "ignore the similes" style... You also try the "all explosions =CD" and the "debunkers think there were no explosions" technique!

It's oldies day on WWTF
Wait... What The ****!??!?!
TrutherTrutherTrutherTruther... Rrrrrrrradio!!!!!
I thought no one could be dumber on 911 than Judy Wood, but I was wrong.
 
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