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Contact: Ph.D. Steven E. Jones-Litigation

RAMS

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This is the 2nd mail sent to Dr. Jones and this site:
stj911@gmail.com

http://stj911.org/

"Dr, Jones,

I would wish to join your site.

I am slowly preparing a class action lawsuit of some large sum, in contest of the litigating accusations against the state of NY, city of NY, NY, FDNY, victims of 911 and the ongoing assault on founded information of which there were no explosives or traces of same found at the WTC region on and after 911 day. This case will be based on erroneous and ill founded charges of conspiracy and felony defamation. Intent to do malice by FDNY, and felony defamation of all parties related to control, rescue, First Responders, and any and all those who have given their lives at the WTC complex on 911 day and thereafter.

The first target of said lawsuit will be your organization which is here:

http://stj911.org/contact.html

Thank you in advance.

I am


Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel"
 
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First email sent to Dr. Jones:
stj911@gmail.com

"In your dissertation which is here:

http://stj911.org/jones/focus_on_goal.html

......it is not mentioned that the translated weight, loaded with fuel, of a 767, impacting to a dead stop in 140 feet from 500+MPH, weighing in at 325,000 pounds or some 162.5 tons, has an impact weight translation of some 98,405 tons. The films so prevalent on the net advise that there is no difference in a 80 MPH wind blowing against the WTC and the impact of airliners. This is not true. This impact alone, without anything else on balance, should have brought either tower down upon impact. But they did not. Now, include the simultaneous explosive combustion of fuel cells and onboard oxygen canister generators and the burning of several tons of aluminum from the fuselage, and it is simply amazing either tower stood for as long as they did, not including the internal fires that resulted and spread. Incredibly constructed structures in every way.

Why this omission?

Secondly, for some critical dissent, 99.4 % of all conspiratory venues use the internet as their sourcing for same. Not one person from anywhere is a trained visual specialist employed to actually analyze the visuals from all sources on 911 day.

Why too, this omission?

Thank you in advance.

I am,

Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com

Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel"
 
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From:

From: email address removed
Subject: Re:
Date: March 20, 2007 10:33:09 AM PDT
To: robert@behold-the-rage.com
Cc: stj911@gmail.com

Mr. Stephens,

To clarify, the STJ911 organization is not Dr. Jones' organization, he is only a member. STJ911 calls for a new investigation and a release of all of the evidence.

Thank you for your interest.

Victoria Ashley
STJ911 committee member


On 3/20/07, Robert A.M. Stephens <robert@behold-the-rage.com > wrote:
Dr, Jones,

I would wish to join your site.

I am slowly preparing a class action lawsuit of some large sum, in contest of the litigating accusations against the state of NY, city of NY, NY, FDNY, victims of 911 and the ongoing assault on founded information of which there were no explosives or traces of same found at the WTC region on and after 911 day. This case will be based on erroneous and ill founded charges of conspiracy and felony defamation. Intent to do malice by FDNY, and felony defamation of all parties related to control, rescue, First Responders, and any and all those who have given their lives at the WTC complex on 911 day and thereafter.

The first target of said lawsuit will be your organization which is here:

http://stj911.org/contact.html

Thank you in advance.

I am


Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com

Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel
 
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We all want to find out the truth, don't we?

Why are you using this destructive tactic using intimidation and threats against people who's only interest is to find the truth?
 
On Mar 20 2007, at 10:25 AM Mar 20 2007, Victoria Ashley wrote:

Dear Mr. Stevens,

Thanks for your inquiry.

You appear to be faulting Dr. Jones for not addressing an argument that convinces you that the plane crashes and fires could have destroyed the Twin Towers. However, you don't address any of Dr. Jones' points, such as that the Towers fell too fast to be explained by gravity-driven collapses. Even if your argument were correct -- that the damage from the crashes and fires was somehow sufficient to totally destroy the Towers -- it wouldn't necessarily explain the features of those events -- such as the sudden onset, explosiveness, thoroughness, molten metal, etc.

As to your argument, consider these excerpts from the NIST Draft Report on the Twin Towers, which describes the impact-induced sway as being far smaller than sways from the wind load they were designed to handle:

"The aircraft completely disappeared into the building in a fifth of a second. In response to the force of the collision, the top of the tower swayed 27 in. to the north, taking 2.6 s to reach the maximum displacement."

"The tower swayed more than one foot back and forth in each direction on the impact floors, about one third the sway under the high winds for which the building was designed."

"WTC 2 displayed significant reserve capacity, as evidenced by a post-impact rooftop sway that was more than one-third of that under the hurricane force winds for which the building was designed. The oscillation period of this swaying was nearly equal to that calculated for the undamaged structure."

Finally, I agree that the majority of "conspiratory venues" do not exhibit high standards of analysis. STJ911.org, however, strives to maintain high standards. Do you have a specific criticism of it? I don't understand the relevance of your statement "Not one person from anywhere is a trained visual specialist employed to actually analyze the visuals from all sources on 911 day."

There are many individuals with many different areas of expertise who have competently analyzed different aspects of the crime.

I'll forward your message to Dr. Jones.

Sincerely,

Victoria Ashley
STJ911 committee member



Victoria,

Thank you for the quick response. The litigory issue is with the partakers of the 911 conspiracy movement, et al.

Yourself, Dr. Jones and the 911 conspiracy movement et al, is in gross error on this topic. Please consult my figures, undisputed by NASA and MIT, on impact ratios for said air vehicle at impact. You are comparing wind to impact velocity which is impossible.

This fact, and the counter assessment by myself and like peers, in the visual field as well as the failure field, categorically proves this error in this regard.

These findings are not subject to debate.

Please consult my posts here, as I found this site to make the inquiry, litigation, etc, as public as possible.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77397

Thank you,

I am,


Robert A.M. Stephens, LLC ®
NASA Fine Art Documentation Program
Vision Motion Dynamic-FX-FX
http://www.behold-the-rage.com
________________________________
Have Jeep, Have Heart, Will Travel
 
RAMS, you're new here, so I haven't seen much of your writing. What I have read so far was fairly well constructed, but IMHO this paragraph:

I am slowly preparing a class action lawsuit of some large sum, in contest of the litigating accusations against the state of NY, city of NY, NY, FDNY, victims of 911 and the ongoing assault on founded information of which there were no explosives or traces of same found at the WTC region on and after 911 day. This case will be based on erroneous and ill founded charges of conspiracy and felony defamation. Intent to do malice by FDNY, and felony defamation of all parties related to control, rescue, First Responders, and any and all those who have given their lives at the WTC complex on 911 day and thereafter.

is extremely unwieldy and difficult to understand.

If I understand correctly, you plan to sue stj911.com and others for lying about FDNY et. al.

Correct?
 
We all want to find out the truth, don't we?

Why are you using this destructive tactic using intimidation and threats against people who's only interest is to find the truth?


You are in error.

I post no threats or any other tactic to anyone, ever. I am stating a fact.

If it is acceptable to felony defame FDNY, First Responders, The US government, the victims of 911 et al, by using such vitriolic truculence as the 911 conspiracy movement, known as 'Strange 2', then it is acceptable for me to dissent. Legally if nessesary on others behalf.

There is nothing destructive whatsoever in my mission profile on this endeavor. It is founded in fact, not conjecture and hyperbole from the sources thus available and individuals who are qualifid to assess same, since none of us were there on location on 911 day.

It is the ilk of 'Strange 2' that is accusing a lot of good folks of first degree murder, and that is felony libel on a federal level.

That fact is not subject to debate.

Reap the Whirlwind.

Robert
 
We all want to find out the truth, don't we?

Why are you using this destructive tactic using intimidation and threats against people who's only interest is to find the truth?

How many lawsuits have various groups tried to file against the USG with respect to an alleged "coverup" on 9/11?

TAM:)
 
RAMS, you're new here, so I haven't seen much of your writing. What I have read so far was fairly well constructed, but IMHO this paragraph:



is extremely unwieldy and difficult to understand.

If I understand correctly, you plan to sue stj911.com and others for lying about FDNY et. al.

Correct?

Yes.

RAMS
 
I think, like in most cases, it is not so nice when the shoe is on the other foot, is it Pagan?

TAM:)
 
I'd be interested in what the alleged damages are from the alleged libel?


Did people stop calling the FDNY and the NYPD?

Did the US Government stop operating?

Anyone allegedly libeled commit suicide?



So again, what are the damages? *scratches head*
 
Look its all this 'strange 2' stuff - you've completely lost me there, I don't know what you're talking about.


'Strange 1' - UFO-Art Bell, NASA lies, NASA hiding aliens, New Agers, Woos, UFO Pukes, et al............

'Strange 2' - UFO-Art Bell, NASA lies, NASA hiding aliens, New Agers, Woos, UFO Pukes, 911 conspiracy cult, 'we killed our own', LC, et al............

An easier euphenism for the various 'Psychos-R-Us' crowds



If you've contacted the FDNY to verify information - good for you, but pass the verification on.



I have. Categorically. at the top of this thread post, for your purview personally.



I'm sure they are busy people (especially Melissa these days), and I'm not going to pester them with questions about 911 that they are probably sick of hearing. There are people in NY in the 911 Truth movement who are in a better position to do that than somebody overseas such as myself.



Good point but unfounded. Would you like me to set up an exchange personally for you at FDNY? What 'Strange 2' is enconsced with is felony defamation and is serious business in the US. Trust me on this. I intend to pursue this with extreme prejudice against all guilty parties of 'Strange 2'.



If this Melissa character or others at the FDNY are happy to receive correspondence from people questioning the 911 attacks - then the best thing you can do is post these contact details over at somewhere like 911blogger.com, where there may even be somebody who can arrange to walk in and speak to somebody face to face. As an FDNY first responder I don't think I'd be happy getting requests from strangers overseas to discuss controversial issues which have probably been discussed a million times. If this is the situation - maybe they could issue some sort of press release on their website to which you can forward people with minimal disruption?


Again, you are in error. In the US with something of this gravity they would welcome any and all inquiry. Melissa is not a 'character'. She is a civil servant under the employ of FDNY.



Also you should refrain from posting email addresses on the internet as they are frequently harvested by spammers and the result can be annoying at the very least.



You are incorrect. One cannot have it both ways; accusing people of murder --ala the 'Truth' movement and 911, and then hide behind anonymous cowardly names, handles, email accounts. That is felony defamation and so much more, and I have won on this within 'Strange 1' everytime. I will continue to post each and every contact email address, phone number and any other contact information for source, as I do myself for myself. If everyone in 'Strange 2' is correct, there should be no hesitation to be honest and up front.



But a question for you RAMS, you seem a decent stand up kind of guy - put yourself in our shoes. If you became convinced that 911 was an inside job beyond any reasonable doubt, and that the facts that demonstrated this were being censored from the mainstream media - would you say so? Would you logon to a forum like this and try to tell people about it - or even amongst your personal circle of friends - if you were convinced it was an inside job - would you say so?


Good ending to your post. Categorically not, without irrefutable data to counter. I challenged Art Bell and his guests on this topic, on his radio show, publicly, before he dumped after 19 minutes.

And just so you know, I have 3 degree in structure failure (air frame), mechanical failure, and a degree in advanced visual interpertation and why I am able to do things like this:

moonillusion.jpg

"Moon Illusion", in the collection of NASA. Digital, executed in Renderman, Particle motion FX


ID4_whitehouse.jpg

"Independence Day", a movie still from the movie. In the collection of Twentieth Century Fox


Alien_3.jpg

"Alien 3" a movie still. In the collection of Twentieth Century Fox.

...........and it is this topic, the actual visuals, since less than the .00004% of the viewing world was on locale at 911 day, it is up to those trained in visual interpetation to resolve the issues of 911.

And it is this that will dismantle 'Strange 2'

Thus, without mitigating fact of those visuals, you and I and the rest of the world were not there, would prohibit me from espousing anything without undeniable fact. Something that all conspiracy movements fail to do.

I have the ability and software to resolve through HST a license plate number on a car at 100 miles from low earth orbit. I can resolve if there was issues of malice concerning 911 day or missing visual data, along with professional analysis of same.

I would never engage as the 911 conspiracy crowd has done.

And the 'Truth' movement, 'Strange 2', the entire 911 conspiracy crowd is about to Reap The Whirlwind for that error.

Robert
 
With all due respect, Robert, I think that unless and until you have the support of the entities upon whose behalf you purport to be acting, you really should not post this kind of thing on here. (I am referring to the correspondence you've posted)

If the entities are interested in suing the likes of Jones et al, they will, of course, do so through proper channels and with proper legal representation - not via an internet forum through a non-lawyer, as well intentioned as you may be.

I do not think that posting this kind of thing here is useful, or appropriate.
 
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Actually, I think its a good thing that RAMS is planning to take on the "truth movement" on a legal aspect. This way it will bring them to the proverbial

Put-up or shut-up


Since no one has offered any substantiative on the truth movement's behalf in the form of a scientific based investigative paper, yet they continue to accuse without recourse for any libel/slander they spew, its about time they are being held responsible for their actions and their statements.


RAMS, are you going to address anything that is posted to sites like prisonplanet.com where in many articles they directly accuse of the FDNY of being complicit in a coverup? and of murder?
 
I'd be interested in what the alleged damages are from the alleged libel?


Did people stop calling the FDNY and the NYPD?

Did the US Government stop operating?

Anyone allegedly libeled commit suicide?



So again, what are the damages? *scratches head*



Those are not grounds for libel. Defamation is. Consult 911 conspiracy groups, et al, for evidence.

I have.

Reap the Whirlwind.

RAMS
 
Those are not grounds for libel. Defamation is. Consult 911 conspiracy groups, et al, for evidence.

I have.

Reap the Whirlwind.

RAMS
I am not a lawyer, but isn't it true that even if you prove that you have been slandered or libeled, you must then prove in what manner you were damaged by said slander or libel in order to be awarded monetary damages?

My point is that while you may be able to prove the slander or libel, what good does it do you if no one was damaged by it?
 
With all due respect, Robert, I think that unless and until you have the support of the entities upon whose behalf you purport to be acting, you really should not post this kind of thing on here. (I am referring to the correspondence you've posted)

If the entities are interested in suing the likes of Jones et al, they will, of course, do so through proper channels and with proper legal representation - not via an internet forum through a non-lawyer, as well intentioned as you may be.

I do not think that posting this kind of thing here is useful, or appropriate.

Good post. You are in error, being objective. It is I and a consortium with like convictions of those thus harmed by the 'Strange 2' movement, quickly coming to the fore, in response to LC, S for T, etc, etc, et al.

That is what dissent is for.

If a group accuses another of first degree murder, that should be responded to in kind.

RAMS
 
Actually, I think its a good thing that RAMS is planning to take on the "truth movement" on a legal aspect. This way it will bring them to the proverbial

Put-up or shut-up


Since no one has offered any substantiative on the truth movement's behalf in the form of a scientific based investigative paper, yet they continue to accuse without recourse for any libel/slander they spew, its about time they are being held responsible for their actions and their statements.


RAMS, are you going to address anything that is posted to sites like prisonplanet.com where in many articles they directly accuse of the FDNY of being complicit in a coverup? and of murder?



Excellent position on what is about to befall 'Strange 2'.

The list is growing for those that would wish to begin the process of defense. Any site thus engaged in 'Strange 2' is suspect. I will post that list for all of your comments; yea or nay, if that is acceptable.

I will not be the one alone involved in this, should it come to such. Resencion is the proper course for reverse gear out of this for all parties involved in Strange 2.

RAMS
 
I am not a lawyer, but isn't it true that even if you prove that you have been slandered or libeled, you must then prove in what manner you were damaged by said slander or libel in order to be awarded monetary damages?

My point is that while you may be able to prove the slander or libel, what good does it do you if no one was damaged by it?

True for the first paragraph.

Libel is given to established fact of purpose; e.g. LC for an example or Prison Planet, et al.

RAMS
 
To be honest, Robert, this whole thing seems rather odd.

You choose to announce this project via a copy of an (poorly written)email on an internet forum you've just joined. You apparently have no legal consultation. You introduce this "Strange 2" concept and have started signing your posts "Reap The Whirlwind".

My "uh oh" detector is going off.
 

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