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Conspiracy believers, answer me this:

Welcome, GodSend.

I'm afraid that you are misinformed about building 7. Perhaps you've been reading about it in conspiracist literature. This paper of mine (pdf) should help you to understand WTC 7's dire condition, and why conspiracist claims about the building are unsubstantiated, and often deliberately deceptive.

Thanks.

Edit: after reading more of your posts, I see that you've bought into the same nonsensical claims as several other recent visitors to this forum. You might want to use Google to search the randi.org domain for topics you're interested in. There's a good chance that they've been discussed here at length. I also highly recommend 911myths.com as a starting point for examining the claims of the "truth" movement.
 
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Do consider that it is IMPOSSIBLE for any steel building (including WTC#7) to collapse straight onto its footprint unless ALL supporting steel girders are cut/thermated/melted/etc.
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Using words like 'IMPOSSIBLE' in dealing with a chaotic even such as the WTC collapses is rather presumptuous and naive.

Do you think you are actually more intelligent than the scientists, engineers and other professionals who have studied the available evidence and concluded otherwise?

To those who believe the delay in collapse was deliberate so that more cameras would be on the buildings as they went down, how do you explain the technical issue of planting explosives in such a manner that they can withstand the impact of a fuel laden jumbo jet and subsequent fires?

Do you really think it would be possible to reliably plant explosives in the vicinity of the impact zone when the explosives' melting temperatures are far below the temperatures reached in even a standard house fire? The WTC's collapsed starting at the impact zone; so clearly, if it was preplanted explosives that initiated collapse, those explosives had to withstand the impact of the planes and fire. This has all been covered before, just reiterating for those that missed it months ago.
 
GodSend said:
OH, TGHO:

Although I'm still somewhat skeptical, I think I know why you are TGHO ;) All that hair must be preventing intelligence from penetrating your skull.
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I grew up online in alt.atheism and talk.origins. Your pitiful attempts at flaming me are not even warming my toenails. Kids these days - no imagination! :p

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Do consider that it is IMPOSSIBLE for any steel building (including WTC#7) to collapse straight onto its footprint unless ALL supporting steel girders are cut/thermated/melted/etc. AT THE SAME TIME on each floor and IN SUCCESSION from to floor to the next lower floor. The fires were in only a few, limited locations. It was a CLASSIC Controlled Demolition. Why else would Silverstein ask to 'Pull it'?!
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ZOMG, WTC7 was CDed! Gasp, this is such a new argument! :rolleyes:

Problems here:
1) WTC7 didn't collapse into its footprint - look at the photos taken later. Debris everywhere!
2) No evidence of explosives.
3) No motive for a CD.
4) The great, huge, whopping chunk of the building missing due to the collapse of the other WTC buildings!
5) "Pull it" does not necessarily mean "blow the thing up".

Mate, this argument has been well and truly debunked. See:
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_damage.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_fire.html
http://www.911myths.com/html/wtc7_pulled.html

And all the rest of the info on that site.

GodSend said:
If I were to list all the legitimate, unanswered or unsatisfactorily answered questions about 9/11 (with 1 question per page), the stack of paper would reach the height of WTC#1 AND WTC#2 ;)
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Uh-huh. I really don't believe you. Simply because the vast majority of these so-called "legitimate" questions have already been answered.


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You are either VERY misinformed or you are a liar! (or both)
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I prefer option 3 - I'm right. ;)

GodSend said:
And we haven't even got to "who did it" yet :shocked:
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Dr Evil? Blofeld? Auric Goldfinger? Santa Claws? You got something original, or just the tired old "Evil New World Order" (whatever the hell that is) or the USG?

Cheers,
TGHO
 
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That's not the argument. The argument is: the south tower had less fire, because the fuel burned outside the building. It was under control, and th FD was coming in to knock it down. So it had to come down before they got into the crash zone. No "accident."

Just clarifying where that argument comes from.
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Complete nonsense.

The fires were never under control. The firefighters, despite their best efforts, were never even able to begin to attempt to fight the fires. Your post is an outright lie.
 
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Yes, and had they succeeded in knocking down that fire, they would have been able to proceed. Thus, the argument is that the south tower had to come down quickly; it was becoming more urgent than the north tower.
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And how long do you think it would take for two engines (two crews) to climb 78 floors with appropriate equipment and sufficient firefighting resources to be able to even begin to attack those fires on 78, which were separate from the main and much larger bodies of fire above?

Are you seriously suggesting that someone gave an order in the midst of this to implode the building within moments of Chief Orio Palmer's transmission because "someone" was concerned that the fires could or would be extinguished, thus messing up the whole conspiracy?

Seriously?
 
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GodSend said:
PS to TGHO:

Lying under oath carries more severe penalties than plain vanilla lying (if caught). Why else does Bush make such a to-do about not wanting Rove to testify under oath (about Fired Attorneys)?
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If caught.

Note that.


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Was Bush ever asked (under oath): "Did you have any knowledge about the events of 9/11 BEFORE 9/11?"
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Uh...? So, answer me this - who won the Australian Federal Election of Nov 2007? What, you don't know? Why not???

That's a very strange question to ask these people, unless you are assuming that they had something to do with the plot in the first place. And if they did, you have got to be completely brain dead to think that they would come out and say "gosh darn, ya caught me. Yeah, I planned the whole thing!". Cripes, the previous pres said "I did not have sex with that woman" under oath even when he clearly had.


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Guiliani, Olmert, Eitan, Zakheim, Silverstein, the JCOS, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, etc. should be asked the same question. I would add Sharon, but OK, he may have trouble understanding the question. Olmert and Eitan should be allowed to take their oath on the OT :D (OK, the Torah then)
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Why are you including Sharon in the questioning????????? What has the prime minister of Israel got to do with 9/11?? And why are you saying he'd have trouble understanding the question, he speaks excellent English!

Or are you one of those racist nuts who think the jooooooos did it??

Cheers,
TGHO
 
Thanks, Gravy, for pointing me to truth? ;) You have even more impressive credentials (posts) than that gnome I just encountered a while ago ;) I'll get back to you in due time. There is more (A LOT MORE) to be said about 9/11 that has not been said before - here or anywhere.

So, TGHO, the steel girders in WTC#1 and WTC#2 were cut by the planes, right? Nice, sheer, 45 degree or so angles, to boot. Not only that, the thermate residue (Jones) musta been carried on the planes, right? And which floor did those girders belong to, huh? (the sub-basement?).

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to step on those precious 6 toes of yours until you scream in (virtual) agony. Better get some 54" thick steel boots - and that's without thermate-flaming to melt the steel ;)

And what was that about WTC#7 collapsing, again? Did you see the video of the collapse? Straight down in a coppola seconds - just like WTC#1 and WTC#2. Nice and very professional Controlled Demolition!

No matter how much you 'official' worms squirm to conceal the truth, you will have to eat crow in the end (looks like dirt). No amount of 'noise' that you make here or anywhere will conceal the LST (Loud Scream of Truth) that will soon shatter the great, 'official' myth about 9/11. Not only that, but the perpetrators (and profit-makers) will be exposed to the light - and then they will scurry for the dark corners, like the rats that they are. They had better get that Visa for Israel - unless, of course, they have that precious 'Right of Return' :D Some could even be Israeli citizens :eek:

And as for Sharon, dead men (and men in a coma) tell no tales ;) What would he know about 9/11? Well, for starters, he is(was) a good friend of Guiliani. Maybe the Mossad (or Eitan) can speak for him until he wakes up? ;)
 
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Columns cut by torches during cleanup.

No thermate residue found anywhere by anyone. My WTC 7 paper has two sections on Jones' claims and lies.

Chill out, please. Arrogance combined with ignorance won't go over well here.
 
GodSend said:
Was Bush ever asked (under oath): "Did you have any knowledge about the events of 9/11 BEFORE 9/11?"

Guiliani, Olmert, Eitan, Zakheim, Silverstein, the JCOS, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, etc. should be asked the same question. I would add Sharon, but OK, he may have trouble understanding the question. Olmert and Eitan should be allowed to take their oath on the OT :D (OK, the Torah then)
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I would add Netanyahu.
 
GodSend said:
chipmunk and JD:

Thanks for the Welcome and advice about 'getting up to speed' about 9/11 truth. However, do remember Who sent me - the Omniscient One ;) As they say in GodZone, "Been there, done that!" :D All will be revealed in due time.
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I doubt it. But been there, done that is true. You guys are a dime a dozen and overpriced at that.
 
GodSend said:
Thanks, Gravy, for pointing me to truth? ;) You have even more impressive credentials (posts) than that gnome I just encountered a while ago ;) I'll get back to you in due time. There is more (A LOT MORE) to be said about 9/11 that has not been said before - here or anywhere.

So, TGHO, the steel girders in WTC#1 and WTC#2 were cut by the planes, right? Nice, sheer, 45 degree or so angles, to boot. Not only that, the thermate residue (Jones) musta been carried on the planes, right? And which floor did those girders belong to, huh? (the sub-basement?).

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to step on those precious 6 toes of yours until you scream in (virtual) agony. Better get some 54" thick steel boots - and that's without thermate-flaming to melt the steel ;)

And what was that about WTC#7 collapsing, again? Did you see the video of the collapse? Straight down in a coppola seconds - just like WTC#1 and WTC#2. Nice and very professional Controlled Demolition!

No matter how much you 'official' worms squirm to conceal the truth, you will have to eat crow in the end (looks like dirt). No amount of 'noise' that you make here or anywhere will conceal the LST (Loud Scream of Truth) that will soon shatter the great, 'official' myth about 9/11. Not only that, but the perpetrators (and profit-makers) will be exposed to the light - and then they will scurry for the dark corners, like the rats that they are. They had better get that Visa for Israel - unless, of course, they have that precious 'Right of Return' :D Some could even be Israeli citizens :eek:

And as for Sharon, dead men (and men in a coma) tell no tales ;) What would he know about 9/11? Well, for starters, he is(was) a good friend of Guiliani. Maybe the Mossad (or Eitan) can speak for him until he wakes up? ;)
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Oh, no! No one has ever come here and said they had TOTALLY NEW information that WAS GOING TO BLOW THE WHOLE CASE WIDE OPEN!!!!! New evidence never seen anywhere! Just wait for the earth-shattering kaboom!
YAWN!!! Wake me up if he actually does post something besides bravado. Until then, BORING!!!
 
The first article didn't load for me. Guessing from the URL, is that Kevin Ryan opining on the credentials of the NIST investigators?

:dl:

Did you try contacting your hero about debating me?

And the second page, Jim "Bowed columns or refracted light" Hoffman?

Please, please, please try to do better. Place an ad. Don't rely on these incompetents.
 
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skepticalcriticalguy said:
Gravy, is your paper available in HTML? (I can't open pdf files; I guess I have too many Adobe programs that conflict. Have tried several versions of Adobe Reader to no avail).
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It will be in a few days. I'll make an announcement here. Thanks for giving it a shot.
 
GodSend said:
chipmunk and JD:

Thanks for the Welcome and advice about 'getting up to speed' about 9/11 truth. However, do remember Who sent me - the Omniscient One ;) As they say in GodZone, "Been there, done that!" :D All will be revealed in due time.
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Better study pdoh, he is the expert on all things woo.
 
Who/what is pdoh, beachnut? Are we zeroing in on woo? I think Senex is giving me a lotta doo about woo ;)

JBA: be prepared for Shock and Awe! You will be shaken (not stirred) out of your lethargy and delirium ;)
 
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