Conspiracy believers, answer me this:

[The Great Hairy One]

Thanks, Gravy, for pointing me to truth? You have even more impressive credentials (posts) than that gnome I just encountered a while ago I'll get back to you in due time. There is more (A LOT MORE) to be said about 9/11 that has not been said before - here or anywhere.

A lot more? A lot more new stuff? Please post this new stuff, I am quite interested.

So, TGHO, the steel girders in WTC#1 and WTC#2 were cut by the planes, right? Nice, sheer, 45 degree or so angles, to boot. Not only that, the thermate residue (Jones) musta been carried on the planes, right? And which floor did those girders belong to, huh? (the sub-basement?).

Yah, the steel girders at the impact sites would have been "cut" by the planes. Those which didn't simply shatter/melt/vapourise. As Gravy stated earlier, those "nice, sheer, 45 degree or so angles" you are looking at are from the clean up afterwards. Not from the initial event.

And thermite residue? Oh please. Where is my yawn smilie? I'll use this one for now. There has never been any thermite residue found at the WTC site.

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to step on those precious 6 toes of yours until you scream in (virtual) agony. Better get some 54" thick steel boots - and that's without thermate-flaming to melt the steel

Think I'll go back to debating the creationists, at least their flames had some actual heat. Yours are not even up to "mild spring day" yet.

And what was that about WTC#7 collapsing, again? Did you see the video of the collapse? Straight down in a coppola seconds - just like WTC#1 and WTC#2. Nice and very professional Controlled Demolition!

I've seen the videos, the photos, the before and after shots. Debris everywhere. Nearby buildings damaged. etc., etc.

No matter how much you 'official' worms squirm to conceal the truth, you will have to eat crow in the end (looks like dirt). No amount of 'noise' that you make here or anywhere will conceal the LST (Loud Scream of Truth) that will soon shatter the great, 'official' myth about 9/11. Not only that, but the perpetrators (and profit-makers) will be exposed to the light - and then they will scurry for the dark corners, like the rats that they are. They had better get that Visa for Israel - unless, of course, they have that precious 'Right of Return' Some could even be Israeli citizens

You better be quick, Bush is going to be an ex-Pres shortly. And isn't there some law stopping ex-Pres's being arrested for crimes committed in office? I'm not an expert on US political law, but I thought I remembered reading that somewhere... So you've got 18 months or so to actually come up with some evidence.

So, if you have actual evidence showing that the current US Administration was behind the plot of 9/11, can you present it, please? I'd like to be amazed before I die of either old age or boredom.

And as for Sharon, dead men (and men in a coma) tell no tales What would he know about 9/11? Well, for starters, he is(was) a good friend of Guiliani. Maybe the Mossad (or Eitan) can speak for him until he wakes up?

I hear the price of fish in China is down to 79 yuan per kilo.

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[beachnut]

Who/what is pdoh, beachnut? Are we zeroing in on woo? I think Senex is giving me a lotta doo about woo

JBA: be prepared for Shock and Awe! You will be shaken (not stirred) out of your lethargy and delirium

 

[DavidJames]

JBA: be prepared for Shock and Awe! You will be shaken (not stirred) out of your lethargy and delirium

sounds like lyte head and merc's "gonna rock your world" video. You guys are a hoot.

 

[The Great Hairy One]

It will be in a few days. I'll make an announcement here. Thanks for giving it a shot.

Hey Gravy, I tried to open that PDF several times, as well as download it to open it locally, and I keep getting "file is corrupt" warnings.

Cheers,
TGHO

 

[skepticalcriticalguy]

You better be quick, Bush is going to be an ex-Pres shortly. And isn't there some law stopping ex-Pres's being arrested for crimes committed in office?

It's called a "pardon." Another great American tradition. It's when the Pres says "I know you broke the law, and wiped your ass with the constitution, but that's ok. We must heal as a nation. So you can be free to make millions writing books and giving lectures, and working for defense contracting companies. It's for the good of our nation!"

This is also applied to lower criminals, like espionage agents (eg. Marc Rich), petty fraudsters and political cronies. It's really sick; convicted felons actually lobby the administration for a last-minute pardon. (Of course, there's a very fine line between lobbying and paying).

It is the single biggest slap in the face to justice that I can think of. And a very useful coverup tool.

 

[GodSend]

Gravy:

With all due respect, I'm not running for office here. I'm here to make the blind see I once was blind, but now I see Maybe you, too, will soon see. Of course, given current torture laws, you could be 'convinced' to see - like that guy KLM

 

[beachnut]

Gravy:

With all due respect, I'm not running for office here. I'm here to make the blind see I once was blind, but now I see Maybe you, too, will soon see. Of course, given current torture laws, you could be 'convinced' to see - like that guy KLM

Sounds like you are deficient in facts, and I expect some old useless ideas to come when you get around to presenting the next round of trash science or idle talk on 9/11.

Soon we will be seeing another fact less truther present ideas only terminally stupid CT fools would believe. When will you stop hiding behind veiled truther posts and shock us all.

 

[GodSend]

Hey, beachnut, you sound just like a 'Rightwing' nut - or is it a 'Right' wingnut Maybe it's all the same. In order for you to see, you will have to extract your head from the sand It can be done!

 

[Hokulele]

Have you been talking with DavidJayJordan?

 

[beachnut]

Oh, what a fact filled fellow. I fear it could be a neonazi full of God odious dumb Stuff erratic nonsense dribble.

 

[Brainache]

So God's End, do you seriously believe we haven't already heard all the points you parrot about a million times already?

Nothing new from you I see, just another niave Truther brim full of arrogance and hot air. I would hate to be you when you wake up from your Truth binge and realise what a complete moron you have been. Not pretty.

 

[The Doc]

GodSend,

Your knowledge surround the events of 9/11 is minimal, and your motivations are clearly political. I suggest you do some further research before you continue to raise claims around here that we have heard and debunked hundreds of times already.

I am releasing a 130 page paper within the next week or two. It counters pretty much every claim you have made here, so I suggest you read it once it is available. Maybe you'll learn something.

 

[MRC_Hans]

Welcome, GodSend.

I'm afraid that you are misinformed about building 7. Perhaps you've been reading about it in conspiracist literature. This paper of mine (pdf) should help you to understand WTC 7's dire condition, and why conspiracist claims about the building are unsubstantiated, and often deliberately deceptive.

Thanks.

*snip*

Ahh, downloaded you paper, will read with pleasure. Thanks.

Hans

 

[cloudshipsrule]

dietysend,

So far you've offered nothing. How bout' a tiny hint at something new for those of us who haven't yet seen the light. Just one itty bitty treat to wet our appetites while we wait in suspense for this glorious, new information you have for us. Can't wait for you to shed some light on the whole non-mystery of it all.

Waiting.........

 

[MRC_Hans]

WOW, a time traveller has arrived. Perhaps you should apply for the JREF challenge? Welcome GodSend, this is 2007. Those were the good news; the bad news is that between the time of your departure and the time of your arrival, all those arguments of yours have been debunked, shredded and put in their grave.

(Yeah, I know others have already dealt with this one, it's just something in me that can't resist pushovers. Will try to improve ..... perhaps next time)

Why has there never been a full and independent investigation of 9/11, where ALL questions and evidence were fully addressed?

Because less was enough to clear up the important issues?

And why were people involved (Guiliani, Silverstein, Zakheim, Bush, NORAD officials, etc. not put under oath?

I dunno, but are you suggesting that the people whom you allege took part in cold-blooded murder of thousands of US citizens would roll over and speak the truth, if under oath?

And why, after so much evidence that steel buildings have never collapsed on their own footprint from fires, WHY are TPTB refusing another full investigation?

Could it be something about funding? Could it be that it is not expected to turn up anything new?

And why was the engine found in the Pentagon wreckage from the wrong plane?

It wasn't the wrong type. That was just some people who thought an engine part would be easily recognized after a high-speed crash.

And why were the videos from the various locations around the Pentagon never released?

Because they were private property potentially containing peronal information? Because they showed the various entrances they were supposed to guard, and not the Pentagon?

And why were there FBI agents in PA only minutes after the crash?

Because they were in the neighbourhood?

And how were the steel girders cut diagonally, if not by thermate explosives?

Oxyacetylen cutters? Tell me do you actually know how thermite works? There are videos out there of thermite experiments. It doesn't actually make anything like clean cuts, quite the opposite.

And why was Bush not immediately whisked to a secure location when interrupted reading the goat story upside down?

Because they considered the location secure enough for the moment? Because you don't just order the President around? Because they told Bush the news first, the security people later?

Too many questions and not enough answers! Let's get the right answers from the right people - under oath!

So murderers will tell the truth under oath? Tell me, which planet are you from?

If it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, runs like a rat, has the DNA of a rat, then maybe it IS a rat, after all - even though it looks like an elephant to some people

How about, squeaks like a rat?

Hans

 

[JimBenArm]

Who/what is pdoh, beachnut? Are we zeroing in on woo? I think Senex is giving me a lotta doo about woo

JBA: be prepared for Shock and Awe! You will be shaken (not stirred) out of your lethargy and delirium

Oh, yeah. I can hardly contain myself. >yawn<

 

[Belz...]

Yes, and had they succeeded in knocking down that fire, they would have been able to proceed. Thus, the argument is that the south tower had to come down quickly; it was becoming more urgent than the north tower.

Sounds remarkably circular.

 

[chipmunk stew]

There is more (A LOT MORE) to be said about 9/11 that has not been said before - here or anywhere.

You're not here trying to create buzz for another YouTube video, are you? Something earth-shattering and explosive, I'm sure.

No matter how much you 'official' worms squirm to conceal the truth, you will have to eat crow in the end (looks like dirt). No amount of 'noise' that you make here or anywhere will conceal the LST (Loud Scream of Truth) that will soon shatter the great, 'official' myth about 9/11. Not only that, but the perpetrators (and profit-makers) will be exposed to the light - and then they will scurry for the dark corners, like the rats that they are. They had better get that Visa for Israel - unless, of course, they have that precious 'Right of Return' Some could even be Israeli citizens

And as for Sharon, dead men (and men in a coma) tell no tales What would he know about 9/11? Well, for starters, he is(was) a good friend of Guiliani. Maybe the Mossad (or Eitan) can speak for him until he wakes up?

Oh. You're one of these guys. Seig heil.

 

[WildCat]

Guiliani, Olmert, Eitan, Zakheim, Silverstein, the JCOS, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, etc. should be asked the same question. I would add Sharon, but OK, he may have trouble understanding the question. Olmert and Eitan should be allowed to take their oath on the OT (OK, the Torah then)

I'm sure that was funnier in the original German.

 

[Brainache]

I'm sure that was funnier in the original German.

Nah, Hitler had no sense of timing.