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Split Thread Conservative Voices (Split from Muller Investigation)

River said:
I'm not a Trump lover, but I definitely am happy he was elected over HRC. For many reasons.
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There's your answer then. If you view yourself on the conservative end of the spectrum and chose Trump over Clinton, then on some level you associate Trump with conservatism (or at least more conservative than Clinton). Therefore any Trump criticism you encounter will be perceived as coming from the left. Lots of Trump criticism at the ISF ---> your perceived big shift left.

Easy-peasey, lemon-squeezie.
 
JoeMorgue said:
And that's my point.

If I'm pro-bleen and I can just be pro-bleen. If I see another pro-bleen person doing a 30 minute interpretive dance while wearing a Shamu costume, I can go "That's stupid" without betraying pro-bleenism as a concept.

I am not in some magical, special club with other people who just share the same opinions as me. They are just opinions we share. It doesn't mean I have to like every other opinion that person shares or every way they share it.
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What are you actually objecting to?
 
Upchurch said:
What are you actually objecting to?
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The idea that saying "This particular method of protesting is silly/stupid" is an attack or criticism on the protesters think or believe.

I agree with Feminism. This does not obligate me to agree with every feminist.

Someone will now, of course, say "Who's saying otherwise?" because at some point we decided that everything not specifically said word for word in an argument is not allowed in the discussion and things like context and subtext aren't a thing we can say exists.
 
River said:
If you ladies and gentlemen feel that is how conservatives or republicans treat women -- I not only feel sorry for you, but you know the wrong republicans. Disgusting.
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I think trump and Republican Senators are clearly demonstrating how they treat women.
 
My argument is: we ought to cut Feminist protests way more slack (like tolerating it wordlessly even if we don't like it) than we would KKK/Neo-nazi protests.
When women start to organize in bands and hunt down men, I am willing to reconsider my position.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
My argument is: we ought to cut Feminist protests way more slack (like tolerating it wordlessly even if we don't like it) than we would KKK/Neo-nazi protests.
When women start to organize in bands and hunt down men, I am willing to reconsider my position.
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"The emperor has no clothes"
 
I would argue that Bannon and Manfort are the two tailors who convinced Trump that he was wearing very presidential clothes.
And everyone but Trump fanboys could see all the time that he was butt-naked with Yeti pubes.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
I would argue that Bannon and Manfort are the two tailors who convinced Trump that he was wearing very presidential clothes.
And everyone but Trump fanboys could see all the time that he was butt-naked with Yeti pubes.
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Don't forget the little toadstool.
 
River is waiting on the calls to ban assault cars. And the language police. This is a messed up world we live in. You'd think by the year 2018 we'd have figured out a lot more things like maybe, how to stop killing each other over ideals or beliefs. For that matter, a lot of other petty things that go on in the streets.

Back to a reality where people are arguing or inferring things over using female as a noun.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...mn-car-children-mjallby-school-Hinnedalsvagen
 
Jesus goddamn wood splintered Christ.

And we're right back at it. Just formless, contextless fist shaking at the other side about things that have nothing to do with anything.
 
River said:
River is waiting on the calls to ban assault cars. And the language police. This is a messed up world we live in. You'd think by the year 2018 we'd have figured out a lot more things like maybe, how to stop killing each other over ideals or beliefs. For that matter, a lot of other petty things that go on in the streets.

Back to a reality where people are arguing or inferring things over using female as a noun.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...mn-car-children-mjallby-school-Hinnedalsvagen
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"Assault cars"?

What are you even talking about?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Jesus goddamn wood splintered Christ.

And we're right back at it. Just formless, contextless fist shaking at the other side about things that have nothing to do with anything.
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What did you expect would happen?
 
JoeMorgue said:
He's point scoring. He's doing the only thing anyone does in politic discussion. He's responding to criticism of "his side" by listing all things he thinks the other side is wrong about.
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I don't even understand what he thinks we are wrong about here. He's basically posting gibberish.
 
Upchurch said:
What are you actually objecting to?
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Add River's objection to supposed offensive posts -- without identifying them -- to my general confusion.

I'm not a fan of criticism that isn't specifically addressed. Posts addressed to dead air are insufficiently communicative. They fail to inform the "guilty" parties of their guilt, denying them the opportunity to reflect. Non guilty parties are also left in the dark. The poster is also deprived, because push back to a vague statement is also apt to be vague -- the original vague poster is denied a premium counter. There may be a valuable point, but when it's expressed vaguely, it amounts to vacuous posturing.
 
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River said:
River is waiting on the calls to ban assault cars. And the language police. This is a messed up world we live in. You'd think by the year 2018 we'd have figured out a lot more things like maybe, how to stop killing each other over ideals or beliefs. For that matter, a lot of other petty things that go on in the streets.

Back to a reality where people are arguing or inferring things over using female as a noun.


https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...mn-car-children-mjallby-school-Hinnedalsvagen
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I am reading the vomit bag here.
 
JoeMorgue said:
The idea that saying "This particular method of protesting is silly/stupid" is an attack or criticism on the protesters think or believe.
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That's fine, but the problem, at least in this thread, was conflating protesting with making an argument or having a debate.
 
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