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Consciousness question

Mercutio said:
Interesting...Blackmore uses the "bridge across the chasm" metaphor in her talk. Does this mean you are actually watching it? Do you understand why she dismisses the chasm as illusory? Do you understand the evidence that leads her to this conclusion?

Do you weigh the same as a duck?
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No, I wasn't aware that she used this. The chasm represents ignorance, and it truly does exist, at least this is how it would be perceived if we were spirits. And no, there is no bridge between you and I on this matter, because you fail to recognize my position and/or treat it equally. Obviously, because you believe there are "no grounds" for it. ;)
 
Iacchus said:
No, I wasn't aware that she used this. The chasm represents ignorance, and it truly does exist, at least this is how it would be perceived if we were spirits. And no, there is no bridge between you and I on this matter, because you fail to recognize my position and/or treat it equally. Obviously, because you believe there are "no grounds" for it. ;)
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Lets see. You speak on scientific things without studying them. You speak of spiritual things without evidence. You make circular and vacuous statements. Which side of the "chasm of ignorance" are you on exactly?
 
Come on Iacchus, your apparent equanimity is boring. Do you honestly believe that you are right no matter what? That the way you reason is sound? That your logic processes are flawless?

Honestly???
 
Iacchus said:
No, I wasn't aware that she used this. The chasm represents ignorance, and it truly does exist, at least this is how it would be perceived if we were spirits. And no, there is no bridge between you and I on this matter, because you fail to recognize my position and/or treat it equally. Obviously, because you believe there are "no grounds" for it. ;)
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The reason I do not treat your position equally is that I do understand it. In fact, given that I have examined it critically and can see the internal contradictions and opposition to evidence and circular reasoning, I would argue (and be correct) that I understand your position considerably better than you do yourself.

The chasm between brain and "mind" could be termed ignorance, although in truth the chasm is created by the ignorant assumptions about the nature of "mind", rather than by our lack of knowledge about the putative connections between brain and mind. If we search the Adirondacks for Rumplestiltskin, search every square inch and do not find him, are we ignorant of his location, or were we ignorant in our assumption that he was there in the first place?
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
Come on Iacchus, your apparent equanimity is boring. Do you honestly believe that you are right no matter what? That the way you reason is sound? That your logic processes are flawless?

Honestly???
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He does not care if his logic is sound. If he is right, it does not matter whether the logic supports him or not.

And he assumes he is right, and avoids any information that might challenge that assumption.
 
Tricky said:
Lets see. You speak on scientific things without studying them. You speak of spiritual things without evidence. You make circular and vacuous statements. Which side of the "chasm of ignorance" are you on exactly?
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I think I answered this pretty well in the other thread.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
Come on Iacchus, your apparent equanimity is boring. Do you honestly believe that you are right no matter what? That the way you reason is sound? That your logic processes are flawless?

Honestly???
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From the standpoint of standing on the other side of this chasm, yes.
 
Tricky said:
LOL. You think that? Well, you do have a lot of fantasies, don't you.
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And if what you say is true, who cares whether I entertain them or not, for they will have amounted to nothing after I die.
 
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Iacchus said:
And if what you say is true, who cares whether I entertain them or not, for they will have amounted to nothing after I die.
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No great loss. They don't amount to very much even now. But as to why I care, the reason is that there is something in me that hates to see BS philosophy go unchallenged. Call it a hobby.
 
Tricky said:
No great loss. They don't amount to very much even now. But as to why I care, the reason is that there is something in me that hates to see BS philosophy go unchallenged. Call it a hobby.
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So what, your fantasies will amount to nothing when you die too. And you can ask Bodhi Dharma Zen. :D
 
Genesius said:
First, show some evidence that you have a soul.

Not your usual mystical blathering. Evidence.
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The fact that I might resond to any of your insuating nonsense is not evidence? If there was nothing conscious and intelligent here to reply, then no.
 
Iacchus said:
The fact that I might resond to any of your insuating nonsense is not evidence? If there was nothing conscious and intelligent here to reply, then no.
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A spirit/soul is not necessary to craft a reply. A material brain does the job quite nicely.
 
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