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CONNIE SONNE, Dowser

al_capone_junior said:
so wishing someone good luck on the challenge is sort of like saying "I hope you win it by pure chance, as a statistical fluke/outlier rather than by your actual abilities" :D

So I do not wish connie "good luck" on the challenge.
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I'm going to disagree with that. To me, wishing someone good luck is wishing them the best possible outcome, not necesssarily the outcome they would most like.

For MDC applicants, there are two best possible outcomes.
1) Despite everything we know, this ability does exist!
2) The applicant learns from the test and embraces critical thinking.

You have to admit that #1 would be great, if essentially impossible, and #2 has happened several times, even a moderator here originally came to take the test. Another prominent poster came as a dowser.
 
chillzero said:
I agree.
However, to extend your example, if you walk in and they are sitting waiting quietly and respectfully, that can be intimidating, but my point is that it is much more intimidating, and you may be more likely to turn and walk out without performing, should they be mocking and laughing before you even begin.
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I've been watching the current season of American Idol. Plenty of parallels come to mind. But it is bloody good fun. :)


M.
 
dann said:
I guess that's up to the individual in question, but Connie Sonne may already be considering the evidence of her own private test.
We have to take into consideration that chillzero and Miss Kitt are exeptions among dowsers. The ideomotor effect is very convincing! I used to ask a now deceased colleage at my highschool, a physics teacher, for advice when I wrote articles for Dansk Skeptica/Para-nyt that touched on the sciences of nature. (I'm an amateur in that field.) Still, he was able to convince himself that dowsing actually worked for him. He even had special dowsing rods custom-made! (Gold-tipped, I think).
However, since he was also partial to the methods of science, he had agreed in principle to making an informal test of his 'powers', but he was ill and died before we could put it into practice.
My guess is that Connie Sonne does not know a lot about the sciences of nature, and she has been on a spree of presenting herself as the mouthpiece of powers beyond our reality for some time. She managed to get herself on Danish TV in May 2008 with her claims that she knew the location of the disappeared child Madeleine. Some of the Danish skeptics discussed that case with her here in October. She has discovered that Facebook is owned and controlled by the CIA. And in this letter to the editor she worries about a conspiracy against the freedom of speech and all the downtrodden and writes that Sandheden kommer frem ... »Før eller senere«! ("The truth shall be revealed ...»Sooner or later«!") It appears to be a kind of Nazi/Marxist conspiracy.
And I cannot think of a way of blaming those on the ideomotor effect! :)

(However, she also has the time to tell newspaper readers about more mundane matters, e.g. the guys who have been stealing hydrangeas and other plants from her parents' garden for a number of years.)

This is why I think that you should not lead her on! Try to bring her back to reality instead, don't pretend that dowsing just might hold true in her case when you are all very well aware that it doesn't. She is not Sylvia Browne, she is not Uri Geller, so there is no reason why we should recommend that she go ahead and waste her money on being tested in Flordia. She is a believer, she is not a fraud - in spite of her fraudulent beliefs.
And, yes, Steen, it would be possible for her to make the same preliminary test in Denmark.
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Oh dann, dann! It's entertainment, at the very least. Let the lady have her 15 minutes. Who knows, maybe this will be The One!


M.
 
dann said:
”Sagen er den, at alting hænger sammen, Maddie er blot en lille brik i denneher sammenhæng. Det jeg taler om er MEGA stort og berører rent faktisk folk globalt. Hvis jeg havde fået Maddie ud, hvilket jeg forøvrigt prøvede på alene nogle gange, så ville jeg ALDRIG have opdaget de andre ting.

Det er ligesom et puslespil, jeg skal gøre/opdage nogle ting, før nogle andre ting sker...for altså at komme videre. Ved godt, at det kan være svært at forstå. Maddie KOMMER ud, men først når rette tid kommer....så kan jeg love, at en "bombe" vil springe. Jeg har beviser for en hel masse, men tingene skal først samles, og det er det jeg er ved...så selv om der er tavshed....så vent blot...det kommer...verdens befolkning har ret til sandheden, sandheden omkring alt muligt...og den rigtige sandhed...ikke alle de løgne og fordrejninger vi alle bliver udsat for i hverdagen.”
http://para-nyt.blogspot.com/2008/10/vi-venter-stadig-connie.html

”The fact is that everything is connected, Maddie is just a small piece of the puzzle in this context. What I’m talking about is MEGA big and actually concerns people on a global scale. If I had managed to get Maddie out, which, by the way, I tried to do alone a couple of times, I would NEVER have discovered the other things.
It is like a puzzle, I have to do/discover certain things before other things happen … in order to get further. I know that it can be hard to understand. Maddie WILL come out, but not until the right time …. I can promise that a “bomb” will then go off. I have proof of a lot of things, but first they have to be put together, and that is what I’m doing…so even if there is silence….just wait and see…it will come…the population of the world is entitled to know the truth, the truth about all kinds of things…and the real truth…not all the lies and distortions that we are exposed to in our everyday lives.” October 27, 2008
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I think I'm about to have an orgasm.


M.
 
What do you (CONNIE SONNE) do earn money? Is it related to your claim or powers in any way? Discuss.

Others above have said practice. I agree, but other reasons. It would be a pity for you to fail for some stupid reason like using the wrong colour of envelopes. Remember you only get one shot at this and then... you know the rest.
 
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Hi everyone,
Is there an english version of what chran posted:: Attached Files Connie Sonne - Madeleine McCann 002.pdf
I would love to read what connie has posted/written about Madeleine.

Thanks Elaine
 
No, I don't think so, but I think that you get the general idea from chran's automatically translated version. (Easy for me to say, I know!)
If it still does not to make sense to you, it is not necessarily because anything was lost in translation! :)
 
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This test is supposed to happen pretty fast, right? Ms. Sonne was going to fly into the States, and the protocol was already ready to go, as I understand it?

It's just that I love it when they actually take the test... I'm like a kid at Xmas...
 
Cool - so does that mean that you have accepted the protocol without comments, and that we're ready for a test?
 
yes I agree, and soon I suppose I will be mentioned in the program of The Amazing Meeting. James Randi himself looked into the protocol lately, and had only a few comments, which is uninteresting for me, so it`s ok, and I bought the tickets for few days ago.
 
GzuzKryzt said:
Any word from Ms. Sonne concerning the protocol?
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Gzuz, Connie completely agreed to the protocol more than two months ago. What other words concerning the protocol do you expect from her?

Also, the last words from JREF in this forum about protocol negotiations are also from more than two months ago, namely:
RemieV said:
We have not reached the point of setting a testing location. The protocol still has to be approved by Randi. The testing location is only decided after the protocol is complete and approved.
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So, my question is not what Connie has to say, but "has Randi approved the protocol?".
 
Agreed.

I wanted to bump the thread and I have worded my inquiry sub-optimal. I apologize.
 
It is a pity that these days the JREF cannot find the time to update the forum with the latest details of MDC applications.
 
steenkh said:
It is a pity that these days the JREF cannot find the time to update the forum with the latest details of MDC applications.
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I have asked RemieV for an update. Unfortunately for the JREF - and fortunately for her - she seems quite busy these days.
 
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