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CONNIE SONNE, Dowser

Connie,

When you say you don't have to read about what Dann linked to, is that because you already know about these things and don't think they apply to you, or is it because you simply don't bother?
 
Hi Connie, and welcome to the forum! It is good to see that you are very confident. I hope you win the challenge, though I do not think you will.

Have you tried a similar test before you applied? If not, I would seriously suggest that you practise by putting cards into double envelopes, and shuffling them yourself, or even better, have somebody else shuffling them for you, and then dowse for the cards. In that way you can hone your skills, and perhaps recognise problems before you are at the actual test.

Besides, we would very much like to hear your success rate at such a test!
 
connie sonne said:
You can even build the cards in a cementwall...I find them anyway.
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If this is the case then there's a much simpler protocol for the test.
You stand in one room and a tester stands in the adjacent room and holds up a card. You do the dowsing and guess the card. Results are written down and repeat.
Much simpler than using 40 envelopes and all that.
 
Connie,

The answer to my question cannot be a mere "yes".

When you say you don't have to read about what Dann linked to, is that because:

a) you already know about these things and don't think they apply to you

or

b) is it because you simply don't bother?

Is it a or b?
 
GzuzKryzt said:
QED.
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Well, we did try to entice a reply out of her, and I do not see any reason to criticise that she changed her decision. A reaction like yours could simply result in her sticking to the original decision, and what would be the advantage of this for any of us?
 
Hi Steenkh, and thank you. About winning the challenge, people can think what they want to think, I actually don`t care,:).We`ll see.
Thank`s for your advice, but as I wrote before, I do not have to practice, and I don`t have problems at all, :). And GzuzKryzt, I do know, that the criticising here on the forum it`s not about me personal, but people come further, if it`s "friendly" criticising, :D!
 
Hello Connie, and welcome to the forum :)

It's good that you're confident, but I think the reason that people are advising you to make some tests by yourself beforehand, is because very many people have found out that they couldn't perform in the preliminary test for whatever reason.

We just want to see you succeed!
 
Yairhol, thank you for your tip, but I think JREF and I already has the protocol finished. It`s simple and straight, and it won`t take me longer than 1/2 hour, so I guess it`s ok. And I already confirmed the protocol.

CFLarsen, yes, the answer to both questions a and b are yes. I already knows about these things and it dosnt apply to me and yes, I don`t bother, :)

best regards COnnie
 
I'm with yairhol, et al. I think it would be best to have the open test be exactly like the clsoed test, with the only difference being that the card is shown to Ms. Sonne before it is sealed in a double-envelope.

I like the idea of someone holding the card up to a wall, too, but this protocol is fine the way it is -- if Ms. Sonne likes it, and it seems that she does.

I have a question for you, Ms. Sonne -- what will happen if you are not able to identify a sufficient number of cards? Will it have any effect on your opinion about your abilities? Will you continue to test yourself objectively, or will you disregard the results?

I don't mean to seem catty -- I'm honestly interested. Most challengers state that the results will have no affect on their beliefs about their abilities, which makes me sad.
 
Hi Chran and thank you,:).It`s ok. But I am serious when I say, that I do know what I can. Really...there is no problem, :). But I also know, that many people around have tried the challenge, but it did`nt work out. It will this time...when I am so sure, it`s because I know who my connections are, what they can and what they allow me to do, :). And there is a meaning about this, because afterwards....much more will come..the truth about everything, I promise,:).
 
But suppose you fail (like Jackagirl stated). What then?
Will you keep your confidence about your abilities or will you question them and seek more tests?
 
Connie,

Why doesn't it apply to you? It's not enough for you to just state that This Is So. You need to explain why.

This is a forum for skepticism and critical thinking. You can't expect people to just uncritically accept what you say.

Have you performed any tests on your own? If so, how did you do it?

Will you go to Ole Knudsen's lecture next Tuesday?
 
Well, no. Connie Sonne does not need to explain anything, since she has a direct line to God ... or something:
connie sonne said:
much more will come..the truth about everything, I promise,:).
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When you are on the brink of discovering the truth about everything, lectures are a waste of time, aren't they?
Connie Sonne appears to have one need above all others: the need to believe - beyond reason or common sense:
"Det er en beklagelig kendsgerning, at et ordentligt dobbeltblindt forsøg aldrig er i stand til at overbevise kvistgængere om, at de tager fejl. Deres behov for at tro er så stort, at de afviser et hvilket som helst bevis, der taler imod deres opfattelse, lige meget hvor godt det er. De har antaget en filosofi som beskytter dem imod virkeligheden." From the Danish translation of James Randi's article about dowsing and dowsers mentioned in post 18:
http://www.skeptica.dk/2005/randi01.htm
 
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”Jeg vil bede alle, der håber at vinde præmien på grundlag af deres evner som kvistgænger, om først at afprøve sig selv i et dobbeltblindt forsøg. Vi hos JREF kan give anvisninger på, hvordan man opstiller og gennemfører sådan et forsøg. Jeg kan forsikre Dem om, at den ovenstående beskrivelse af den ideomotoriske effekt vil vise sig at holde stik. Og jeg ved udmærket, at De som kvistgænger vil afvise dette råd og tro, at i Deres tilfælde er sådan en procedure unødvendig. Jeg bygger denne konklusion på de mange år, jeg har har testet kvistgængere.” http://www.skeptica.dk/2005/randi01.htm

And for the unfortunate readers who don't understand Danish:
”I ask all those who wish to claim the prize based upon their dowsing skills to first try a double-blind test of their abilities. We at the JREF can advise you how to design such a test protocol. You will find, I assure you, that the description above of the ideomotor effect will be proven valid. And I know full well that you, as a dowser, will refuse this advice and believe that, for you, such a procedure is not necessary. I base this conclusion on my many years of handling dowsing claimants.” http://www.randi.org/library/dowsing/
 
Jackalgirl and Yairhol, where it all comes from, there`s a lot of humor. If it will happen, that I fail the test..there`s a reason. Then I will make the new step afterwards, not by testing again, but something else..Yeah, no matter what is going to happen, I will never make a doubt about my abilities. In a year now, my life and the things I`m doing is like a puzzle, but ALWAYS I do the new step to go on...and I already have many evidences and more will come,:).
 
CFLarsen said:
Why doesn't it apply to you? It's not enough for you to just state that This Is So. You need to explain why.
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Has she not already said that she is so sure of her abilities that mundane things that have confused every other dowser to be tested cannot possibly apply to her?

It is of course arrogant, but there you are.

This is a forum for skepticism and critical thinking. You can't expect people to just uncritically accept what you say.
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Well, we can accept that those are her reasons. We do not have to be persuaded to believe that she will actually be able to perform when tested.
 
connie sonne said:
Jackalgirl and Yairhol, where it all comes from, there`s a lot of humor. If it will happen, that I fail the test..there`s a reason. Then I will make the new step afterwards, not by testing again, but something else..Yeah, no matter what is going to happen, I will never make a doubt about my abilities. In a year now, my life and the things I`m doing is like a puzzle, but ALWAYS I do the new step to go on...and I already have many evidences and more will come,:).
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How very sad. I am always saddened by people who don't understand that the world is wonderful without being magical, and that people can be extraordinary and special without being magical. What a waste.
 
steenkh said:
Well, we did try to entice a reply out of her, and I do not see any reason to criticise that she changed her decision. A reaction like yours could simply result in her sticking to the original decision, and what would be the advantage of this for any of us?
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If her original decision was that she would go and get tested after making her first and only post: Fine.

The advantage would obviously be saving bandwidth. And doing what one says one will do, thus creating credibility.

Alas, everything points to a Connie behaving like a True Believer (TM) with a knack for talking before she thinks. No offense intended.
 
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