Congress: We don't need no Constitution

Art Vandelay said:
Religious oaths are also optional in the US (although I find merely asking for one to be offensive- there is a clear implication that atheists can't be trusted), and the US Constitution is also void of references to God.
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This "implication that atheists can't be trusted" is what I had in mind when writing my post, independent of written law and Constitution. For me, as an outside observer, I remember very well the first news item I read at that time about Kerry kind of being pressed to make more clear statements about his faith etc. It seemed like "we need more photos of you attending mass, or no way to run for office" to me.

While typing this I just watched the news and heard that Jeb Bush wants protective custody for Schiavo and order to feed her? :eek: I guess it's a canard...
 
headscratcher4 said:

Full Court of Appeals in Atlanta has now rejected the parent's appeal and declined to review the lower court's determination. On to the SCOTUS
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The chance of the SCOTUS granting cert is negligible.
 
davefoc said:
I think, playing devil's advocate here, it could be argued that in this particular case, it appeared to some in congress that it was possible that Schiavo was being killed unjustly and that the congress in order to err on the side of caution wanted the federal judiciary to review the case and provide another safeguard for Schiavo.
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I realize that you're playing devil's advocate, but I don't think that you really addressed my point. If the current law can lead to people being killed unjustly, shouldn't the current law be changed? Doesn't the fact that this change applies only to Schiavo belie the idea that there is a problem with current law? If, for instance, Congress believes that courts should not be allowed to order a feeding tube removed without allowing a federal appeal, shouldn't they pass a law saying that "courts should not be allowed to order a feeding tube removed without allowing a federal appeal" rather than "courts should not be allowed to order a feeding tube removed from Schiavo without allowing a federal appeal"?

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The chance of the SCOTUS granting cert is negligible.
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Don't be silly. Once all of the current ones have been impeached for their flagrant obdurance, and more amenable ones sworn in, cert will be inevitable.
 
How about this thought as a different spin on the topic - If Bush truely believes that saving Terri's so-called "life" trumps the U.S. constitution. Why doesn't Bush send some Federal Marshals plus the appropriate medical doctors to Florida and reinsert the feeding tube? Instead of hiding behind the courts and saying - oh well, we tried out best, but those mean old altheist abortion-loving liberals were determined to kill poor Terri.
 
joe1347 said:
How about this this thought as a different spin on the topic - If Bush truely believes that saving Terries so-called "life" trumps the U.S. constitution. Why doesn't Bush send some Federal Marshals plus the appropriate medical doctors to Florida and reinsert the feeding tube? Instead of hiding behind the courts and saying - oh well, we tried out best, but those mean old altheist abortion-loving liberals were determined to kill poor Terri.
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Well, truth be known, Joe, Dubya is saying nothing of the sort. He knows (as well as all of America) that the majority of Americans across the board: Dems, Republicans, conservatives, liberals and many evangelical groups were very much against his mis-use of Congress.

And, even if he desperately wanted to do what you suggest, to even try would be political suicide at this point. (Not to mention illegal as hell....)
 
Art Vandelay said:
You are either a liar or an idiot, and quite probably both. I "missed" the point because it exists only in your imagination. At no time did Ken state that all people missing half a brain should be killed, and if you honestly believe that he did, you have some serious reading comprehension problems.
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Where's ladyhawk to correct the rudeness of this poster? She only does it to conservatives. Hypocrit!

As for Art, please read for content next time.

thaiken said "The facts are that Terri's body is just a body. It has no personality, it can never host a conscious mind.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/18/162547/578

Here is a CAT scan comparison of her brain to a "normal" brain.

She's only missing more than half of it. The "liberals" in this case are basing opinions on facts.""

Uh Art, inferences are everything. When called on it, ken then said something to the effect of "Well, it wasn't the correct half brain I was speaking of." Cop-out!

In addition, I see that Markos @dailykos gets a pass while conservative web sites get ridicule. Unbelievable.
 
joe1347 said:
Is it just me - or is anyone else becoming TERRIFIED with the current Bush administration/congress? I thought that dismantling Social Security was about as far as they could possibly go. Now this obscene intrusion on both States rights and the sanctity of marriage. Whats next? Freedom of the Press is certainly under assault in a very clever/subtle way. I guess that I need to reread Orwells 1984 or maybe watch a little more Hitler/History channel.
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It's just you. You've been frequenting too many far-left websites such as dailykos or democraticunderground. Did you know that Markos is now reporting that Bush is going to re-institute the draft in 75 days? You go to those websites for news, I go there for laughs.
 
easycruise said:

Uh Art, inferences are everything. When called on it, ken then said something to the effect of "Well, it wasn't the correct half brain I was speaking of." Cop-out!

In addition, I see that Markos @dailykos gets a pass while conservative web sites get ridicule. Unbelievable.
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I don't see dailykos getting a pass, I see it being used as a source of information that is available. It isn't posting opinion, it is posting a CAT scan.

BTW, the mentioning which half of the brain is missing is not a cop out, its the crux of the matter. Also, I'd like to take this opportunity to distance myself from easycruise.
 
easycruise said:
Where's ladyhawk to correct the rudeness of this poster? She only does it to conservatives. Hypocrit!

As for Art, please read for content next time.

thaiken said "The facts are that Terri's body is just a body. It has no personality, it can never host a conscious mind.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/18/162547/578

Here is a CAT scan comparison of her brain to a "normal" brain.

She's only missing more than half of it. The "liberals" in this case are basing opinions on facts.""

Uh Art, inferences are everything. When called on it, ken then said something to the effect of "Well, it wasn't the correct half brain I was speaking of." Cop-out!

In addition, I see that Markos @dailykos gets a pass while conservative web sites get ridicule. Unbelievable.
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Well, good to know you miss me, Easy!

BTW...if you ever bothered to familiarize yourself with any of my posts, you'd know that I am equally hard on the liberals...when warranted.

Meantime, you have (yet once again) evaded the question. Where is the post where Ken said that any one with half a brain should be killed? "Something to the effect of" is a long hallway with a lot of doors. Know what I mean?

As to the website referenced, you may well be right. If it's a truly liberal-slanted website, it wouldn't be the best reference. I'm not familiar with it, so I'm not qualified to say. However, plenty of other websites have been posted (AP, Reuters) to support the same conclusion.
 
gnome said:
I'm saying he exhibits a lack of proper priorities. No time to find Bin Laden and stabilize Afghanistan, gotta invade Iraq. No time to address Medicare issues and Americans' lack of access to health care, gotta whip up a social security crisis. We're in need of Arabic translators for the war on Terror--for God's sake don't hire any gay ones, and while we're at it get rid of the gay ones we have.
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Oh boy, I'm becoming convinced that liberals can't reason with sanity. Afghanistan is stabilized, has been for some time. Democracy in Middle east is the big prize anyway.

Social security is a crisis, but the left says that a 27% cut in SS benefits is not a crisis. See the stock market go down 27% and the left would be all over Bush as a mismanager.

Secret tapes of Bush by his confidant showed he didn't want to show any malice towards gays. The left ignores this fact.
 
easycruise said:
Oh boy, I'm becoming convinced that liberals can't reason with sanity. Afghanistan is stabilized, has been for some time. Democracy in Middle east is the big prize anyway.
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Are you talking about how Afghanistan is doing now, or two years ago?

Social security is a crisis, but the left says that a 27% cut in SS benefits is not a crisis. See the stock market go down 27% and the left would be all over Bush as a mismanager.
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When would this 27% cut in SS benefits occur? Is it not more likely to suppose that the US would engage in a bit of deficit spending to keep benefits at the same level? Though... it sounds less frightening to say... in a few decades we might have to *gasp* have deficit spending, since we already do that routinely, and at much higher levels.

But my bigger point is, yes SS is a problem and needs work, but there are bigger crises--where's the priorities?

Secret tapes of Bush by his confidant showed he didn't want to show any malice towards gays. The left ignores this fact.
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I don't ignore it, I simply pay more attention to actions than words.
 
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nightwind said:
I believe this is one of the most bizarre things I have seen Congress do.

So what if another judge eventually rules to remove the tubes again?

I wonder what action will be taken by Congress then?

This type of action and power is almost scary when you think about it.
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How about making it illegal to not tell everyone about hanky panky in the Oval Office?
 
easycruise said:
Oh boy, I'm becoming convinced that liberals can't reason with sanity. Afghanistan is stabilized, has been for some time. Democracy in Middle east is the big prize anyway.

Social security is a crisis, but the left says that a 27% cut in SS benefits is not a crisis. See the stock market go down 27% and the left would be all over Bush as a mismanager.

Secret tapes of Bush by his confidant showed he didn't want to show any malice towards gays. The left ignores this fact.
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You need to realize that the world does not exist in "left" and "right". I think many people on this forum would term themselves, socially liberal, fiscally conservative.
 
a_unique_person said:
I had been wondering how all of this was being paid for. According to this http://slate.msn.com/id/2115218/, it's all being paid for by a medical malpractice suite of the type the republicans want to ban. Without that money, how would she still be alive now?
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I don't think that that suite, for $1 million, would have covered a fraction of the costs over 14 years. We all (in the US) pay for it, and I haven't seen much in the press about contributions from the demonstrators to alleviate the cost to all those who agree with the courts so far.

As to the medical malpractise issue, saying that Republicans want to "ban" them shows your ignorance; it's not that simple or stupid (and I'm not a Republican, in case you are tempted to jump to conclusions).
 
Lurker said:

Yes, me too. We have a lot of laws based on the spouse having "control" over theirr spouse in these sorts of cases. I guess they need to be rewritten now.

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Where's the Florida Bar Association on this matter? Looks like you don't need a "written" living will in Florida. You would think that would lose business for lawyers. Oral statements to only one person is all you need.

As I said previously on this thread....

""1. No living will, no coma, no respirator, no terminal disease. Kill her anyway, Husband says. He treats wife badly, withholds any and all treatment, says "When is that bitch going to die" (Nurse testimony)

Liberals want to kill her anyway.""

And now I'll add...conservative politicians want to re-check all the facts and get more time before killing this poor woman, yet liberals give them crap for doing it. Unbelievable. But the bottom line is...Florida senator Mel Martinez (R) today and Al Gore (D) in 2000 said the same thing. "I don't agree with the courts decision, but I accept it".
 
easycruise said:
Where's the Florida Bar Association on this matter? Looks like you don't need a "written" living will in Florida. You would think that would lose business for lawyers. Oral statements to only one person is all you need.
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Probaby, ya, it makes the process longer though


As I said previously on this thread....

""1. No living will, no coma, no respirator, no terminal disease. Kill her anyway, Husband says. He treats wife badly, withholds any and all treatment, says "When is that bitch going to die" (Nurse testimony)
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Some people lie under oath. You may find it hard to believe, I know. I'm sure you'd feel justified lying if it meant that the liberals couldn't kill her.



And now I'll add...conservative politicians want to re-check all the facts and get more time before killing this poor woman, yet liberals give them crap for doing it. Unbelievable. But the bottom line is...Florida senator Mel Martinez (R) today and Al Gore (D) in 2000 said the same thing. "I don't agree with the courts decision, but I accept it".
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This process has been going for 15 years. The facts have been checked, checked again, rechecked, rechecked again, etc, etc, etc, etc. Doesn't make sense to get involved in the last few days of a 15 year battle.
 
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