Congress: We don't need no Constitution

Ladyhawk said:
I can't help but wonder how people of other countries view this. I've seen commentary from our European friends here and have heard similar from European celebrities, that our tolerance ..in fact, encouragement, of the mention of God in our politicians speeches, etc., is something that would never be condoned in other countries.
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In short, religious belief is no such big issue over here in politics. Even our (German) conservative party, which has "Christian" in it's name, rarely makes an issue out of it. While our politicians' drool is just as vacuous as in any other country, words like "faith", "God", "bless" etc. are virtually nonexistent in top politicians' speeches. Our current Chancelor, Gerhard Schroeder, was the first one to skip the "God" part during inauguration in 1998. This religious endorsement is only optional in our constitution when taking the oath of office, not a requirement.

Though churches lobbying fiercely, the new European Constitution (Nov 2004) does not contain a reference to God or Christianity, only a general reference to religious and cultural tradition of Europe. The separation of state and church is especially strong in France, they would have never accepted a deity being mentioned in such a secular affair.

I am quite new to the forum so please allow me a brief personal note: As a non-U.S. resident I am not to post smart comments on U.S. politics, I only wanted to reply to your question in this thread. However, reading U.S. news and boards daily I might say that I am quite puzzled at the strong influence religion has in everyday political statements, or even decisions. It seems to me that "faith", "God" and "bless ..." etc. are thrown in every other sentence quite nonchalantly. An atheist myself, I find this rather disturbing, naturally. But I think if I was a religious person, I would find it even more disturbing watching some of these guys abusing my deity for mundane affairs.
 
clk said:
That is NOT a flip flop by Bush! He is just 'showing leadership'!
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Do liberals ever check the facts and use logic? From your link...

""The Texas law does not include a provision for dealing with conflicts among family members who disagree with the surrogate decision-maker — as has happened in the Schiavo case — although in practice hospital ethics committees would try to resolve such disputes, he said.

The Texas law, Mayo said, tends to keep such cases out of court, allowing life-support decisions to be made privately. ""

There IS a family conflict.
 
Art Vandelay said:
You think that a child losing half his brain is comparable to an adult? I guess that makes three people missing half a brain.
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Dear Art, I'll go slow since you seem to have a problem with logic and that third person you refer to is looking at you in the mirror.

Ken said that Terry should be killed because she only has half her brain. Period. I said, wait, here's another person with half a brain, (should we execute them too?) You missed the point.
 
Ladyhawk said:
You didn't provide a link, but that's ok....
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Uh boy... There was a link in my previous post which you ignored and I reposted the text for you, saying you couldn't be bothered. And then you say I didn't provide the link. Wow! Isn't it time for your Sylvia Brown reading?

And then, like a typical liberal, you bash George Bush saying he should concentrate on the war. But yet, you liberals say Bush is so stupid he can't walk and chew gum at the same time. When he DOES do two things at once, you bash him for that! Oh, the logic of the loony left never ceases to amaze me!
 
thaiboxerken said:
I think it's just silly to convict SP for killing 2 people, when he really killed one person who was pregnant.

When you come up with some real facts, Easycruise, feel free to share them. I'd like the facts to come from unbiased sources, not the RTL propoganda websites.

Headscratcher posted a good website that only has facts presented.
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Let's see, court affidavits, (liars!), doctor's testimony (quacks!) many videos (edited!) and ThaistickKen is seemingly smoking another one when he says that anyone who presents evidence contrary to his point of view doesn't have any facts.
 
easycruise said:
Uh boy... There was a link in my previous post which you ignored and I reposted the text for you, saying you couldn't be bothered. And then you say I didn't provide the link. Wow! Isn't it time for your Sylvia Brown reading?

And then, like a typical liberal, you bash George Bush saying he should concentrate on the war. But yet, you liberals say Bush is so stupid he can't walk and chew gum at the same time. When he DOES do two things at once, you bash him for that! Oh, the logic of the loony left never ceases to amaze me!
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I'm saying he exhibits a lack of proper priorities. No time to find Bin Laden and stabilize Afghanistan, gotta invade Iraq. No time to address Medicare issues and Americans' lack of access to health care, gotta whip up a social security crisis. We're in need of Arabic translators for the war on Terror--for God's sake don't hire any gay ones, and while we're at it get rid of the gay ones we have.
 
Furious said:
Also of note, the brain damage is not in dispute, even the family's doctors have no significant objection to the amount of damage and the fact that there has never been someone with that kind of damage recovering.

However, the family lawyers argue that more can be done to rehabilitate Terry through some experimentel therapies and that Terry would have changed her mind if she had known these therapies were in existence.

That is their current line of legal reasoning, from what I understand.
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You can train planaria. Training signifies nothing except patience on the part of the trainer.

I find this entire discussion loathsome and also find it interesting that the fuc*er that is the Senator from the State that kills the most people judicially has suddenly developed these refined sensibilities about the sanctity of life.
 
Ladyhawk said:
However, I do wonder how long it will take for the RP to realize that this latest FUBAR of theirs is not meeting with a majority approval of Americans ( as cited in the link posted earlier).

I wouldn't be the least surprised if the federal judge upholds the state's decision. It's gonna be one hell of a mess if he doesn't. Ironically, the case is going before a judge appointed by Clinton. I think the stage is already set.
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The tube is staying out

As I predicted. I'm not at all surprised.
 
easycruise said:
Let's see, court affidavits, (liars!), doctor's testimony (quacks!) many videos (edited!) and ThaistickKen is seemingly smoking another one when he says that anyone who presents evidence contrary to his point of view doesn't have any facts.
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Go away, Easy. The basis of 95% of your "arguments" have been no more than opinion, criticism and harassment on your part. You haven't presented a single statement in defense of any of your 'facts' when called on them. You aren't worthy to be among your peers on this thread who have sought to debate this thread intelligently. While some of us have gotten emotional (how can't one?), you have taken the lowest road, resorting to insult of anyone who disagrees with you on a personal level. You are guilty of all the same accusations you've made and I, for one, do not take a thing you say seriously.

You are , what is often referred to as, a blowhard.
 
gnome said:
I'm saying he exhibits a lack of proper priorities. No time to find Bin Laden and stabilize Afghanistan, gotta invade Iraq. No time to address Medicare issues and Americans' lack of access to health care, gotta whip up a social security crisis. We're in need of Arabic translators for the war on Terror--for God's sake don't hire any gay ones, and while we're at it get rid of the gay ones we have.
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Careful, gnome...I got in a lot of hot water for making that observation..;)
 
BS alert

easycruise said:
Uh boy... There was a link in my previous post which you ignored and I reposted the text for you, saying you couldn't be bothered. And then you say I didn't provide the link. Wow! Isn't it time for your Sylvia Brown reading?

And then, like a typical liberal, you bash George Bush saying he should concentrate on the war. But yet, you liberals say Bush is so stupid he can't walk and chew gum at the same time. When he DOES do two things at once, you bash him for that! Oh, the logic of the loony left never ceases to amaze me!
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Ok, you post some links of medical opinions that are
AT LEAST a decade old (the newest one from 1995, july) to support your "unbias" stand on this issue, because we all just KNOW that your medical status could NOT possibly change in 10 years. And of course she hasn't been seen by any other physician(s) who are qualified since, but it's only the "liberals" that have an agenda!

GOT IT.
 
easycruise, why do you see this as a liberal/conservative issue?

There are many folks on this board that hold more or less conservative positions on a lot of issues. Of the ones who I have seen express an opinion on this issue all but one of those think that withdrawing care from Terri Schiavo is correct.

My mother-in-law that has never voted for a Republican in her life and who disagrees with just about every political view of her son-in-law (that would be me) thinks that care should be continued for Schiavo indefinitely.

Is it possible that you have adopted your view of this issue because conservative commentators and politicians have attempted to polarize the country on this issue for their own gains and you have bought into their schtick. In case you haven't noticed many of these commentators have resorted to flat out lying to hype this issue as much as possible for their own gain. Yesterday I heard one of them talking about the words that Schiavo was saying and how with just some therapy she could begin to get better. I haven't heard one straightforward honest statement of her condition from any of the ones I listen to.
 
davefoc said:
easycruise, why do you see this as a liberal/conservative issue?
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While I agree the liberal/conservative link isn't obvious at first, I think the connection to the abortion issue has already been made.
 
My aged father, who had a stroke several years ago and lives in a nursing facility owned by the Frist Family, needs a nurological check-up. I wonder if I send a video tape to Senator Frist, whether he will render an opinion as to my father's health? Clearly, he has been brilliant when it comes to this poor women, maybe he can help us make some important care decisions for my dad...I also wonder if he'll be there to help when the time comes in just a few years and my father can no longer afford to live in an expensive home like the one he currently lives in and owned by the Frist family....

Just ranting here...everyone should send Dr. Frist a video for a second opinion, clearly he has an un-explored medical expertise in "remote" viewing of patients whose issues are not in his specialty area....
 
Re: How far with technology?

Bentspoon said:

I ask again

WHAT DOES TOM DELAY KNOW ABOUT BRAIN ACTIVITY

here is another one

For god's sake WHAT DOES PRESIDENT BUSH KNOW ABOUT BRAIN ACTIVITY.

Bentpsoon
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The answer to both questions is, "Apparently, nothing". :D
 
Re: Re: How far with technology?

Ladyhawk said:
The answer to both questions is, "Apparently, nothing". :D
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With respect to what is going on in the minds/brians of both Bush and DeLay, it is sort of a two-for: absence of evidence AND evidence of absence
 
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