Congress: We don't need no Constitution

[RandFan]

I think it's very relevant, Rand. It goes to showing that all of this fuss over Schiavo is more politically motivated than anything else. If it were truly about the sanctity of life, (as Tom DeLay and Dubya would have us believe), then why not the same sense of urgency for the lives at risk in Iraq? That's all.

One could argue that the hundreds of thousands killed by Saddam were worthy of the consideration of sanctity of life. One could argue the false imprisonments, the torture, the maiming, etc. by Saddam were worthy of the consideration of sanctity of life.

I don't accept your premise. The deaths of American servicemen and women are tragic and the necessity of them being in harms way is certainly worthy of discussion and debate. But to simply interject it here is besides the point. Why not argue the merits of this issue instead of poisoning the well?

That we are in Iraq is not proof that Bush or his administration does not value human life.

Edited to add: I also don't accept that there is no exit strategy. There absolutely is an exit strategy and the Iraqi elections were part of that strategy.

 

[davefoc]

Why is this bill unconstitutional? I would like it to be unconstitutional. I think the federal government should have absolutely no standing in this kind of issue. I also think they should have the decency not to get involved in such a hugely sad and difficult issue for the people involved. But it is not clear to me that congress doesn't have the right to do this.

I know the supreme court occasionally makes some decisions in favor of state rights. Is it possible some of those arguments apply here?

What is the basis that a federal judge would order the tube reinserted given this bill? Is the idea that the federal judge would order the tube reinserted as a prelude to having a complete new trial to adjudicate issues already decided by the state court?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Gosh, Thai, you're almost sounding, semi, sorta, libertarian here.

I'm just calling it like it is. I would be conservative, if the conservative party was actually conservative.

Good point. Glad your mama chose Life, aren't you?

It's too bad your mom DID.



I also find it interesting, like another poster said, that the same people that want to ban gay marriage based on "sanctity of marriage" are the same idiots ignoring the sancitity of Michael and Terri's marriage. Then again, the religious are always contradicting themselves.

 

[Upchurch]

You'll have to forgive me, but for the life of me I cannot remember if it was Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity that I heard the other day arguing that Schiavo could still wake up and shouldn't we error on the side of life.

Allowing that trials-by-jury are subjective decision-by-conscensus rather than necessarily an objective conclusion and, thus, more prone to error, shouldn't this same argument also apply to the death penalty, which I've heard both hosts speak out in favor of?

 

[easycruise]

I'm just calling it like it is. I would be conservative, if the conservative party was actually conservative.



It's too bad your mom DID.



I also find it interesting, like another poster said, that the same people that want to ban gay marriage based on "sanctity of marriage" are the same idiots ignoring the sancitity of Michael and Terri's marriage. Then again, the religious are always contradicting themselves.

Liberals are much worse.

1. No living will, no coma, no respirator, no terminal disease. Kill her anyway, Husband says. He treats wife badly, withholds any and all treatment, says "When is that bitch going to die" (Nurse testimony)

Liberals want to kill her anyway.

2. Partial birth abortion. Fetus's head is out of the canal, stick a spear up the nostril and destroy the brain.

Liberals OK with that killing.

3. Pedophile confesses to raping and killing little girl and buries her in shallow grave.

Liberals not OK with the death penalty for that killer.

Am I starting to get through to you liberals?

 

[Brown]

Then again, the religious are always contradicting themselves.

There is no question that there is a religious motivation for some of those involved, but the matter should be evaluated from a political angle. After all, this case could have an effect on any of us, regardless of our religious beliefs.

That said, the hypocrisy here is extreme, and hypocrisy inevitably leads to bad policy.

 

[thaiboxerken]

1. No living will, no coma, no respirator, no terminal disease. Kill her anyway, Husband says. He treats wife badly, withholds any and all treatment, says "When is that bitch going to die" (Nurse testimony)

This is a blatant lie. The nurse is likely telling a lie. He did not withold anyd and all treatment. These are just lies. Did you have anything truthful to say?

Liberals want to kill her anyway.

I think that a husband and medical staff should have the ultimate authority on medical decisions of his wife (if she's unconscious, as is the case), I'm just weird that way.

2. Partial birth abortion. Fetus's head is out of the canal, stick a spear up the nostril and destroy the brain.

Liberals OK with that killing.

Yes, it's just a fetus after all. It's not a person.

3. Pedophile confesses to raping and killing little girl and buries her in shallow grave.

Liberals not OK with the death penalty for that killer.

I agree, that guy should be DP'd. Then again, I'm not really a liberal.

Am I starting to get through to you liberals?

I doubt that your weak witted post is getting through to any liberals.

 

[HarryKeogh]

Liberals are much worse.

1. No living will, no coma, no respirator, no terminal disease. Kill her anyway, Husband says. He treats wife badly, withholds any and all treatment, says "When is that bitch going to die" (Nurse testimony)

Liberals want to kill her anyway.

2. Partial birth abortion. Fetus's head is out of the canal, stick a spear up the nostril and destroy the brain.

Liberals OK with that killing.

3. Pedophile confesses to raping and killing little girl and buries her in shallow grave.

Liberals not OK with the death penalty for that killer.

Am I starting to get through to you liberals?

1. People in a persistent vegetative state cannot think, speak or respond to commands and are not aware of their surroundings. Doctors say there is no chance she will ever get better. Terry's gone. Her shell remains.

2. If you support a ban on partial birth abortion that makes no provision for a woman's health knock your socks off. The vast majority of partial birth abortions are done when the mother's life is in danger.

3. Many liberals, this one included, are against the killing of human beings. Of course, we want to see this man get punished and never see the light of day again but we don't feel the need to kill him. If he had zero cognitive brain function, like Terry, I'd say "pull the plug".

I'm for ending Terry's life because I think it's the compassionate thing to do. If we could hook her up to a machine that would let her live to be 150 years old would you approve of that? When people have no thought processes and are kept alive solely by artificial means I think we should let nature take it's course.

 

[easycruise]

Thaiboxerken said'

"This is a blatant lie. The nurse is likely telling a lie. He did not withold anyd and all treatment. These are just lies. Did you have anything truthful to say?"
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"Likely"? Court affidavits are no longer good for you?

http://www.zimp.org/stuff/Affidavit H Law 083003.pdf

Don't like THAT nurse? Here's another one of terry's nurses, testifying.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1006944/posts


Other info is just as alarming, but idiot liberals opine first and learn the facts later.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1242797/posts

http://www.spiritdaily.com/schiavoallegations.htm

 

[thaiboxerken]

"Likely"? Court affidavits are no longer good for you?

An affidavit is just a testimony that's been signed. I'm still of the opinion that this nurse lied. Affidavits don't have a mysterious power to convert lies to truth. I could write and sign and affidavit that says you like to eat human flesh on Tuesdays after playing dodgeball with the Yankees.

Don't like THAT nurse? Here's another one of terry's nurses, testifying.

So that's two people that are tellign a lie.

Other info is just as alarming, but idiot liberals opine first and learn the facts later.

The facts are that Terri's body is just a body. It has no personality, it can never host a conscious mind.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/18/162547/578

Here is a CAT scan comparison of her brain to a "normal" brain.

She's only missing more than half of it. The "liberals" in this case are basing opinions on facts. The people fighting to keep Terri alive on a chance that she's curable are doing so based solely on feelings and false-hope, not on any real science or fact.

 

[hammegk]

It's too bad your mom DID.

Better that than to be a failed attempt like you.

 

[easycruise]

1. People in a persistent vegetative state cannot think, speak or respond to commands and are not aware of their surroundings. Doctors say there is no chance she will ever get better. Terry's gone. Her shell remains.

When people have no thought processes and are kept alive solely by artificial means I think we should let nature take it's course.

I've seen numerous different videos of terry, you've likely seen one or possibly none. She is not "gone", is not a shell, and definitely has thought processes. Nurses have testified to that. Happy reactions to her parents and brother, cold, unresponsive reactions to her husband. Again, testimony confirms this.

Fetus's head is out of the canal and ThaistupidKen says "It's just a fetus after all, it's not a person". Advice to Ken..Move out of your parents basement and grow up and have a family and then re-check your previous statement.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I've seen numerous different videos of terry, you've likely seen one or possibly none. She is not "gone", is not a shell, and definitely has thought processes. Nurses have testified to that. Happy reactions to her parents and brother, cold, unresponsive reactions to her husband. Again, testimony confirms this.

Many have seen the videos of Terri and are not impressed. These are snapshots. It's clever, and dishonest, video-editting. It's the equivalent of taking a 2 second clip of a person having an epileptic seizure and using it as evidence of that person nodding their head in agreement.

Fetus's head is out of the canal and ThaistupidKen says "It's just a fetus after all, it's not a person". Advice to Ken..Move out of your parents basement and grow up and have a family and then re-check your previous statement.

Done, done and done. A fetus is still a fetus, and is not really a person.

 

[brookus]

3. Pedophile confesses to raping and killing little girl and buries her in shallow grave.

I'd be for killing him simply because he didn't take the time to dig a grave at the proper depth. If there's one thing that I hate, it's killers that do things half-assed.

 

[HarryKeogh]

I'd be for killing him simply because he didn't take the time to dig a grave at the proper depth. If there's one thing that I hate, it's killers that do things half-assed.

so wrong yet so funny

 

[easycruise]

A fetus is still a fetus, and is not really a person.

How many people was Scott Peterson convicted of killing?

 

[headscratcher4]

http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html

The above is an itneresting site with timeline and other information about this case...including legal filings. What it shows is that this has been a very labored process and that the Florida courts repeatedly have tried to act in accordance with the law in spirit and deed. When you read this, it makes what Congress is doing all the more sad...the Taliban rules.

 

[Ladyhawk]

I've seen numerous different videos of terry, you've likely seen one or possibly none. She is not "gone", is not a shell, and definitely has thought processes. Nurses have testified to that. Happy reactions to her parents and brother, cold, unresponsive reactions to her husband. Again, testimony confirms this.

Nurses have testified to this? Wow. Well, then, it's easy. Trash all the medical evidence, findings and data provided by physicians and let's just admit the medical findings of the nurses....

 

[easycruise]

The facts are that Terri's body is just a body. It has no personality, it can never host a conscious mind.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/3/18/162547/578

Here is a CAT scan comparison of her brain to a "normal" brain.

She's only missing more than half of it. The "liberals" in this case are basing opinions on facts. The people fighting to keep Terri alive on a chance that she's curable are doing so based solely on feelings and false-hope, not on any real science or fact.

Oh boy, Ken steps in it again. Here's another person with "half a brain".

http://mentalhelp.net/books/books.php?type=de&id=1258

 

[Cleon]

Am I starting to get through to you liberals?

Yes, because nothing gets your point across like arrogance, condescension, and insults.