Condi Drops a Watermelon

[pipelineaudio]

the day Harass was "officially" changed to sound like Harris would be a good start

 

[gnome]

With all due respect and I mean that sincerely. This seems to me to be sticking your head in the sand. To pretend that there isn't an attempt to control speech by labeling some speech as hate speech or to enforce norms on what words can and can't be used is to ignore the fact that these things do exist.

I don't like getting rid of words or terms. The answer to bad speech is good speech and not simply getting rid of the speech that we don't like.

I don't advocate leaving it behind because of a moral value... I advocate leaving it behind due to harmful imprecision. It is too easily the brunt of a fallacy of equivocation.

I choose not to call blacks "N****r", so I'm being Politically Correct. Suddenly I'm the language police and fighting a war on Christmas because I choose to say "happy holidays".

This isn't 1984, I don't advocate any measure of enforcement. I simply mean to point out to critics that "Politicall Correctness" is an overly broad term, and you're encompassing more than you intend to (and in the case of Bill O'Reilley, intentionally relying on the ambiguity).

 

[gnome]

Give me another term that others will understand and I will use it. Until then I only need use the word and explain the context in which I use it. It is effective and appropriate in my opinion. I don't deny that the term is problematic but here you are making the term itself politically incorrect. I hope you appreciate the irony.

I do appreciate the irony, hence my own joke with bolded words. Let me just say that I don't believe that words are inherently bad or should be forbidden... but I do argue that words can be poorly chosen, and there's nothing wrong with advocating a better choice of words.

 

[gnome]

Thats the thing, I would say that it isnt even a question of feeling but in fact a political system which says you MUST feel offended if certain sounds are uttered in a certain order

its total BS and bib brother thoughtcrime

And the message IS "you can't say that"

It is a religion plain and simple, an irrational belief and response to a set of "circumstances"

The aspect of "Political Correctness" that you describe is truly objectionable, and I would join you in fighting it. The issue at hand is that there are perfectly reasonable choices that are as quickly labeled "Political Correctness" and lumped in with the thought police. That needs to stop.

 

[Mike B.]

The aspect of "Political Correctness" that you describe is truly objectionable, and I would join you in fighting it. The issue at hand is that there are perfectly reasonable choices that are as quickly labeled "Political Correctness" and lumped in with the thought police. That needs to stop.

100% correct.

On a related note, if you read Neo-Confederate publications or writings. They can't go a paragraph without putting the phrase "PC" or "political correctness" in it.

Being an American Civil War buff, it is simply infuriating. I realize arguing with a Neo-Confederate is like arguing with a barking dog, but what is so tiring is that they constantly throw that term around as a substitute for debate.

i.e. the fact that they have almost zero scholarly support for their "historical" theories is simply because of "political correctness." Simple now they don't have to actually deal with the issue. Just saying the phrase is enough.

 

[Mike B.]

Sorry, but when I grew up, chicken was a Sunday treat. Once in a while, thank you very much.

Sure, today, chicken is every day's food. But not a mere 20-30 years ago.

And I'm "white". Or, rather, "dough-colored". "Pig-colored" if you like. "Skin Cancer Prone", even.

Water melon? Can only be consumed in two ways: Outside, or in the bath tub. Where's the "black" connection? "Whites" never ate water melon?

This is so stupid.

The chicken thing might not make sense in a logical way, but it was a symbol of supposed black inability to govern themselves.

There is a scene in huge 1915 KKK apologist hit film, "Birth of a Nation" in which freed slaves are in the serving as legistlators. They have their bare feet up on the desk and are eating chicken and throwing the bones on the floor. It was that racist image that stuck in so many people's minds.

 

[pipelineaudio]

The aspect of "Political Correctness" that you describe is truly objectionable, and I would join you in fighting it. The issue at hand is that there are perfectly reasonable choices that are as quickly labeled "Political Correctness" and lumped in with the thought police. That needs to stop.

Ahh now I understand, and I agree

Perhaps having a name for this religion :

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54384

would go a long way in helping to name the bad PC stuff away from useful PC stuff

 

[Rob Lister]

I wish I had seen that thread earlier

 

[Luke T.]

Guess old prejudices die hard in some places.

Yeah.