Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
I read the abstract, and it says nothing about concrete smashing.
As far as smashing concrete is concerned, hearsay is all we have.
Dave
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"Concrete Smashing" via exotic beam device
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I read the abstract, and it says nothing about concrete smashing.
As far as smashing concrete is concerned, hearsay is all we have.
Dave
Podkletnov Replies!
I wrote the following to Podkletnov, via email:
He replied:
I have to admit, my physics profs of days gone by would raise an eyebrow at
"And, by the way, even normal matter can move with the speeds exceeding the speed of light but in that case the motion in the ether will cause the emission of synchrotron radiation. " However, they never shot up concrete with a gravity gun!
I wrote the following to Podkletnov, via email:
He replied:
I have to admit, my physics profs of days gone by would raise an eyebrow at
"And, by the way, even normal matter can move with the speeds exceeding the speed of light but in that case the motion in the ether will cause the emission of synchrotron radiation. " However, they never shot up concrete with a gravity gun!
If you ask him nicely, Podkletnov might be willing to send you one of the .3 to .5 inch pieces of concrete he mentioned in his email to me. Image it's value as a conversation-piece!
OTOH, without a video, come of the conversations might not be so pleasant.
Dave Rogers
Bandaged ice that stampedes inexpensively through
Yes, given the number of other ways there are of obtaining .3 to .5 inch pieces of concrete, I suspect that would be its only value.
If I had 80 million euros, I don't know where I'd invest it, but Podkletnov wouldn't be on my shortlist.
Dave
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
So through the entire thickness of the material the molecules move simultaneously, right? If he meant accross the surface area hit by the beam then this is simply no different than smacking it with a large hammer. Therefore he must mean that the entire depth beyond that surface area is affected simultaneously.
Anyone else see the problem with this?
Does the gravity wave get completely absorbed by the concrete it hits? If so then one can assume that there is a gradient through the concrete as the waves are absorbed by the mass it encounters first and only a small feild is present beyond the wall.
If the wave actually maintains its strength through the concrete then it also maintains that strength beyond it. It is a good thing it is line of sight since it will only be in danger of punching holes in things as far as the horizon.
No stresses and strains, so it does maintain its strength through the concrete. So he not only punched a hole in the test wall but also in anything else in the line of sight of this 'beam'.
What difference would rebar make if any mass in the beam experiences such an all-but-instantaneous acelleration? It should snap the steel as quickly as the concrete.
If all the concrete in that cylinder experience acelleration at the same time then it should not even break it up. It should punch out a cylinder of concrete.
Come on!!! Are we expected to believe that it cannot be arranged that classified experiments are not seen in the video? Seems overly convenient to me.
What does "size" have to do with having no mass?
I'm not even sure what Einstein's propensity for practical jokes has to do with his Nobel prize or Theory of Relativity.
The predictions which arise from said mere theory have been shown to occur thus withstanding the falsibility test.
Not in any theory I have ever heard of. Anything with mass, any mass at all, cannot exceed the speed of light. It may approach it but not reach it.
I will suppose he is only using this as a historical analogy and not a physics one.
Studying gravity is done in many places. It is indeed one of the great mysteries and a source of much curiosity among physicists. It is hardly a way to torpedo one's career. Making claims that are not backed up by serious and precise and docuemented experimentation is though.
Does this mean that his gravity beam emitter moved in the other direction than the concrete or that he intends to set up the emitter on Earth and send things up? If the later is the set up then this is good for getting off the Earth but of little practical use in sending things father than that.
He is a hoaxster and the more you write about him metamars, the more that becomes obvious. The 'oh we can't film it because we are in a tippy-toppy sekrit location' clinched it for me.
Its not classified (one wonders why not) so write up a paper detailing how the experiment was conducted and let serious physicists attempt to duplicate the claims, or simply duplicate the experiment in a non-classified location and video the dammed thing!!!!!!!
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I sent another email to Podkletnov, in which I asked about changing the beams direction similarly to an electron gun, and also curving it (which I considered very unlikely to be doable). His answer:
Not having studied this paper, I'm not sure what it'll tell me about this issue.
phunk
Illuminator
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Well send him another email and ask why he isn't the richest man on earth yet, because if the beam works as he describes it, it makes possible (and in fact easy) a generator that pours out electricity without needing any fuel. Instead of aiming his beam at a concrete block, he should aim it at one side of a flywheel.
I'll do no such thing. Besides steering him towards Google, I've also forwarded his email in which he mentioned that he needed funding, to the sister-in-law of a brilliant, successful engineer (who will get it to him), who does business all over the world, and also to a relative who writes a technology assessment newsletter for investors in green (primarily solar) energy.
I trust that the investors will do their due diligence. They'll certainly have plenty of motivation to do so.
KoihimeNakamura
Creativity Murderer
You know, one could see that as fraud. Because with my admittedly poor background knowledge, I see Red Flags.
leonAzul
Illuminator
It looks to me that he has discovered a very interesting piezo-electric effect and curious behavior in gases under certain conditions. Note well that this has never been tested in a vacuum. And let me guess, the gravity abatement is being measured by the displacement of a balance...
Perhaps he has discovered a way to organize gas molecules the way a laser organizes photons. That in itself might have some interesting applications.
Perhaps he's just pulling your leg.
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
Let me expand on why this is a hoax flag for me.
He claims that his experiments are not classified or secret.
Given the enormity of the discovery, if true, and the many applications to which this could be put it is unfathomable how this would not be a well kept secret by his government at least until it is perfected and more fully understood. As a weapon it would be valuable in that there is no way to sheild against it, in fact traditional sheilding would be counter-productive if the effect is proportional to the mass of the target.
Then there is the claim that he cannot video his experiment due to there being other, classified, work being done in the same lab. There are many ways to mask off nearby equipment from a video camera. Simply tarping over them while the video camera is present will suffice. Posting security in the room would make sure that no one lifts the tarp. They trust him enough to be in the same lab, in close proximity to the classified work so he is not the problem.
Even IF they decided that it just would not do to have a camera in the same building then just dismantle the experiment and move it to a location where camera work is not a problem.
Then there is the funding. Once again it can be pointed out that whoever patented this would be rich, rich, rich. A government that owned the tech would be able to undercut NASA or the European Space Agency in orbital launch costs as all the energy required would no longer have to be stored in rocket fuel on the spacecraft. 80 million Euros, peanuts to any moderatly large country wishing to be a world power.
But, no, instead they are lowered to having to begs bucks from many people. They will not be getting 80 million Euros from one investor so they will have to work with a large number of smaller investors. This will mean that money is slower to come in and thus their research will advance at a slower pace. If they got 20 million per year for 4 years they could have a breakthrough and start making that money back for investors at 5 years. However if they can only raise 1 million per year it will take 20-25 years before those small investors would see a return on investment. The long sighted investor then might want to do this given the financial windfall in 25 years.
BUT, if this is a scam then the perpetrators are getting $1million/year and appeasing investors by telling them not to expect a return on investment for 25 years. A scam in which it will be at least a decade before many people start questioning whether or not they've been had,,,,lovely!
All that said, I would love to believe that someone has decoded the mystery of gravity and found a way to manipulate it. It would absolutly change the world, indeed the universe, we live in. Many of our sci-fi fantasies would be possible such as ftl travel.
However the old adage stands, if it sounds too good to be true, it probably isn't true. It still might be true but it bears close scrutiny and so far these guys just don't pass muster.
jhunter1163
beer-swilling semiliterate
Smashing Concrete would be a great name for a rock band.
jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
As I said above, I assume that he says that as a historical analogy rather than a phyisical statement.
He is saying that at one time the speed of sound was thought to be a constant, a barrier through which no object could pass(the medium in which the sound is travelling being immaterial except in that it caused the barrier to move). He is saying that the speed of light is thought to also be a similar barrier but that premise will be shown to be as erroneous as the previous one concerning the speed of sound.
Of course the more general consensus among physicists and engineers in the middle of the last century was that the sound barrier could be broken. It was well known that bullets and artillery rounds certainly were moving at greater than the speed of sound and had been for quite some time. I daresay that general consensus does not apply to the idea that a mass can be acellerated to, and beyond, the speed of light and that it is still firmly in the realm of sci-fi.
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jaydeehess
Penultimate Amazing
or 'Gravity Wave'
or 'Punching Concrete'
or 'Energy Beam'
Would 'Smashing Concrete' be a heavy metal 'Smashing Pumpkins'?
I got this beam thing, so send the money to my paycon account just enter the code --- uradoltsendmoney#Paycon.com. You and I will be rich! Yes, beam thing. Gravity or something, I gots it in a bag. I will publish my paper as soon as I gets lottsss of money$$$ (member FDIC and BBB)
jhunter1163
beer-swilling semiliterate
DEATH metal. Anyone can smash a pumpkin. Concrete, on the other hand, takes a tough dude to smash.
Their first song would be "Dustify My Love." The video would involve blowing up Madonna. Maybe with thermite.
You are correct. The speed of sound in the atmosphere depends almost wholly on temperature, and is roughly linear with temperature near sea level. As you climb in altitude, temperature decreases and speed of sound also decreases, until you reach the high stratosphere where air molecules are scarce and achieve a high effective temperature, even though heat content is negligible; here the sound speed starts to increase again.
In the limit of extreme altitude, the atmosphere approaches an ideal gas at ultra-low pressure, and the sound speed approaches its asymptotic limit of about 280 meters per second, compared to 340 m/s at sea level.
Let me also state that "gravity waves a thousand times faster than light" is utterly mad. And unless these individuals have also found a way to violate conservation of energy, this analysis of mine is still in effect, and the beam is still not going to work even if they have, indeed, turned the entire establishment of modern Physics on its head.
