Common Sense

[The Doc]

28th,

You're going on about Ad Hominem arguments and avoiding the facts etc. Why did you dodge my posts?

I'll post it up again.

If the towers feel at free-fall speed, that steel is traveling 2x faster than free-fall. Why?

Cutting charges do not expel debris in a downward direction. Neither do conventional explosives of any kind.

What type of explosives do you think were used at the World Trade Centers?

 

[Belz...]

Well, when you have classic signs of planted explosives i.e. "squibs" shooting out of the building some 20-30 floors below the collapse point...

Actually that would be evidence AGAINST a controlled demolition.

You know with common sense... we might say - okay, maybe stuff (smoke/dust/debris) shooting out on the floor that is being crushed might be possible... since the air on that floor could be affected by the immediate impact from above... but when you're talking about floors that have not collapsed... floors that have not been touched or affected by the falling upper mass - magically spouting out debris like a steel-boned whale doing a handstand* - well, now we're experiencing the rainbow-colored thaumaturgy that is so ubiquitous in the land of debunkerville.

And exactly what effect would such a small number of charges have on the collapse ??

COMMON SENSE doesn't provide the answer to any and everything you know.

Precisely.

Dude... you can use common sense a thousand ways to prove NIST's theory to be impossible. I've done it several times... go read some of my posts.

One way... I proved their theory false, was by observing the upper mass on WTC 2, that fell over to the side...

Wow, you are one hot person, aren't you ? You've single-handedly debunked the work of many, many experts in their OWN field, without having any expertise in it yourself.

What is your trip? We are talking common sense here. I am asking utterly simple questions, and you are all scared to answer them.

It's frightening to see that the world is more complicated than you initially believed, isn't it ?

 

[28th Kingdom]

28th,

You're going on about Ad Hominem arguments and avoiding the facts etc. Why did you dodge my posts?

I'll post it up again.

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/3572/freefalllolfg7.jpg

If the towers feel at free-fall speed, that steel is traveling 2x faster than free-fall. Why?

Cutting charges do not expel debris in a downward direction. Neither do conventional explosives of any kind.

What type of explosives do you think were used at the World Trade Centers?

I believe they were some kind of star wars rocket/beam/lasers. It's kind of hard to explain - but I mean... they are like strong and fast... you know? Oh yea... and invisible... so no evidence is left in sight... that was the clever part of the whole blackjack cards.

 

[GlennB]

I believe they were some kind of star wars rocket/beam/lasers. It's kind of hard to explain - but I mean... they are like strong and fast... you know? Oh yea... and invisible... so no evidence is left in sight... that was the clever part of the whole blackjack cards.

hehehe - OK 28th, it was quite a good joke while it lasted. You got a lot of people quite steamed up there for a while
Nice one.

 

[slingblade]

Blown any whistles yet, 28? Told anyone who could actually act upon your information what you know?

Why are you just sitting on this important, life-saving information?

You've done it, right? You've proven the NIST theory false, so you know.
So what are you doing with any of it? Are you becoming part of the problem?

Are you a LIHOPPER shill for the government, 28th? Allowing them to get away with murder?

 

[The Doc]

I believe they were some kind of star wars rocket/beam/lasers. It's kind of hard to explain - but I mean... they are like strong and fast... you know? Oh yea... and invisible... so no evidence is left in sight... that was the clever part of the whole blackjack cards.

No, I don't know.

So you'll have to provide me with several pieces of evidence. Such as:
a) Evidence these weapons exist
b) Evidence they are operational
c) Proof they can operate invisibly
d) Evidence these weapons were used on 9/11.

So far I've seen none.

This is all assuming you're being serious. Which I wouldn't put past you.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I believe they were some kind of star wars rocket/beam/lasers. It's kind of hard to explain - but I mean... they are like strong and fast... you know? Oh yea... and invisible... so no evidence is left in sight... that was the clever part of the whole blackjack cards.

You are joking, right?

Hans

 

[H'ethetheth]

hehehe - OK 28th, it was quite a good joke while it lasted. You got a lot of people quite steamed up there for a while
Nice one.

Then again, making a parody of something that is indistinguishable from parody to begin with is pretty much pointless.

 

[GlennB]

Then again, making a parody of something that is indistinguishable from parody to begin with is pretty much pointless.

I suppose it's just conceivable that he's seen the emptiness of his claims and the gaping holes in his science and is trying to back out with a common enough technique - "I was only kidding" ??

 

[Skibum]

I suppose it's just conceivable that he's seen the emptiness of his claims and the gaping holes in his science and is trying to back out with a common enough technique - "I was only kidding" ??

Of course people would have much more respect for him if he just came out and admitted he was wrong.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Again... I'm not crazy... I don't cook food with radiation or put things to my head that will fry my brain... although, I think I'm starting to see why we all disagree on so many things...

Like the notion that he's not crazy. Believing that microwaved food has radiation in it and a cell phone will fry his brain sounds pretty paranoid to me.

 

[28th Kingdom]

Blown any whistles yet, 28? Told anyone who could actually act upon your information what you know?

Why are you just sitting on this important, life-saving information?

You've done it, right? You've proven the NIST theory false, so you know.
So what are you doing with any of it? Are you becoming part of the problem?

Are you a LIHOPPER shill for the government, 28th? Allowing them to get away with murder?

I need all of your help... one man cannot do it alone. United we stand... and divided we fall. I am working to unite people so that we can stand up and defeat this tyranny.

We have been balkanized and taught to look out for our own best interests... while pushing others down... see, it's this isolation... that makes us all weak and powerless against the machine. How can we as a people ever rise up, when we are so consumed with beating each other down?

We are constantly being taught to discriminate between sexes, races, political parties, religions etc. People get so conditioned with this sort of habitual separatism, that they carry it over into all aspects of life... whether it be rivaling states/coast lines/cities battling against each other through sports... or neighborhoods within cities fighting each other over local politics or family members in the same house arguing over the remote control... there is absolutely nothing united about the United States of America.

We are separated at every level and on every scale...

I promise you... one day... and that day may not be too far from this day... America will turn into this Orwellian nightmare that you have been hearing about... and it will seemingly happen over night.

At a certain point... once all of the ground work has been laid in the background i.e. passing of new acts in congress, systematical implementation of spying devices which track your every movement, construction of concentration camps etc. the takeover, will happen very rapidly.

All they need to do is release a suitcase nuke or dirty bomb... wherein killing 150,000 people and you will have complete and utter chaos, which will bring about martial law. This can all happen in the span of one day... It will be like 9/11 times 50... Can you imagine it? Are you ready?

 

[H'ethetheth]

I suppose it's just conceivable that he's seen the emptiness of his claims and the gaping holes in his science and is trying to back out with a common enough technique - "I was only kidding" ??

Sure, and if he's not a troll I certainly hope for his sake he's just made his first steps on the way to sanity. Though judging from his newest thread, I'm still undecided. Though if he is a troll he's certainly a troll that doesn't know when to say when.

 

[Skibum]

I promise you... one day... and that day may not be too far from this day... America will turn into this Orwellian nightmare that you have been hearing about... and it will seemingly happen over night.

Well I guess we will just have to meet you there since you apparently are already practicing these Orwellian tactics.

 

[gumboot]

Again... I'm not crazy... I don't cook food with radiation or put things to my head that will fry my brain... although, I think I'm starting to see why we all disagree on so many things...

I'd be very curious to heard exactly how you do cook food?

I of course assume that you, oh master of all things of knowledge, know already that heat is a form of radiation, yes?

-Gumboot

 

[Firestone]

Why don't you address the many questions you left open?
Why don't you provide evidence for your claims?
Why don't you apologize for deleting (one of) your stupid posts and claiming we made it up?

Why ... ?

 

[aggle-rithm]

How many times...have I mentioned the big picture and how you all like to plunder through the murky details? Ever heard this expression:

"Try not to get too bogged down in the details."

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=8586&dict=CALD

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4983462&ft=1&f=1057

"Senior news analyst Daniel Schorr says that the public should not become bogged down in the details of the investigation into who leaked the name of covert CIA agent Valerie Plame." (emphasis added)

Ironic, because getting bogged down in details is the conspiracy theorist's best friend. If not for this, the arguments would be pretty short:

Troofer: 9/11 was an inside job!
Skeptic: Really? What do you think happened on 9/11?
Troofer: ......

 

[Architect]

Why don't you address the many questions you left open?
Why don't you provide evidence for your claims?
Why don't you apologize for deleting (one of) your stupid posts and claiming we made it up?

Why ... ?

I know this one......it's because he's a fraud and a coward.

 

[chipmunk stew]

We are constantly being taught to discriminate between sexes, races, political parties, religions...

...brain hemispheres...

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

[URL]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_919345a1da245e699.gif[/URL]

(Taken from http://www.debunking911.com/collapse.htm, which contains an excellent summary for those, like yourself, who cannot possibly apprehend the entire NIST report.)


The video footage was, indeed, one of the major inputs to the NIST study. You're making stuff up again.

What is it with you Troothers and your aversion to anything that's actually true, anyway?

Despite what you may believe, NIST isn't going to proceed beyond this, for two reasons:

1. Once collapse starts, the rest is academic. Nobody will ever build a skyscraper that will partially arrest its collapse, so there is nothing to be learned. Building codes are based on preventing collapse, not arresting them.
2. You can't model the full collapse in any detail anyway. Too many random variables. NIST knows that any such animation would be a guess, and they don't like to guess. They like to present that which they can rigorously estimate.

I know this is too difficult for you as well, so let me give a simple example.

Suppose you throw a six-sided die. Can you predict what side will come up? Just that, a die, an initial six degree-of-freedom state, and a hard, flat, perfect plane below. Can't do it, can you? Nope. Not even with the best computers in the world, not to any usable accuracy.

The WTC collapses are literally billions of times more complicated.

Dynamics are hard to simulate. Dynamics that hit things and spawn additional dynamics, i.e. any error early on leads to greater and greater errors over time, are inherently impossible to simulate, except to pose possible examples of what might happen. Reconstructing what did happen? Impossible.

I fail to see what NIST producing a cartoon for your benefit would achieve, anyway. Real science doesn't depend on cartoons.

http://news.uns.purdue.edu/UNS/html4ever/2006/060911.Sozen.WTC.html