Colonel Donn de Grand Pre

[Crazytimes]

The debris field of Flight 93 was eight miles wide - investigators found a
second debris field three miles away from the main crash site at Indian
Lake, and a third debris field in New Baltimore, eight miles away. This is
entirely consistent with the plane having been shot down.

Several eyewitnesses described hearing explosions before Flight 93 crashed
and others said they heard missiles[/I].

And here is more about the Portugal conference led by the colonel.

This is so stupid and incorrect. I am sick of idiots like Jones saying that plane crashed dont have more tha a mile of a debris field.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff7h7Ll8Dl4

 

[BigAl]

Pan Am 103 did not 'break up' but was blown up with a bomb, an event comparable with the rocket that brought down F93.

If a bomb or rocket brought Flt93 down, it would have clearly shown up on the voice and data recorders.

The data shows that Flt93 hit the ground completely intact except possibly for some damage due to excess speed that didn't affect it's ability to be flown into the ground by the person at the controls.

 

[Crazytimes]

Why is it that truthers cannot see the difference in a plane that was crashed landed and a plane that was purposly crashed at top speed ?

 

[Elizabeth I]

Rosie O'Donnell is an "insider"? Tell me, what position did she occupy in the soopersekrit eebull neocon NWO hierarchy prior to the day she turned her coat?

 

[PB2007]

9/11-investigator -

When you are ready feel free to answer my question in post 76. Please re-read it all because it's apparent you haven't fully read the article that you linked to. It states

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.

and

Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene.

So, what did it turn out to be?

 

[BigAl]

Here is an MSM report dating 13 sept 2001:

http://post-gazette.com/headlines/20010913somersetp3.asp

Finding the flight data recorder had been the focus of investigators as they widened their search area today following the discoveries of more debris, including what appeared to be human remains, miles from the point of impact at a reclaimed coal mine.

Birds and small animals can and do carry body parts. We continue to find bones around WTC in unlikely places from 9/11.

Residents and workers at businesses outside Shanksville, Somerset County, reported discovering clothing, books, papers and what appeared to be human remains. Some residents said they collected bags-full of items to be turned over to investigators. Others reported what appeared to be crash debris floating in Indian Lake, nearly six miles from the immediate crash scene.

If you actually read the source, you'd find that "6 miles" was by car and Indian lake was much closer to the actual crash.

So who is 'dirt dumb lying' here.

The morons who's made up claims you parrot.

None of the several thousands people involved with the FLt93 crash site and investigation seem to think that it was anything but a crash caused by the pilot at the controls.

 

[WildCat]

Or people who probably are fed-up with their boring mediocre architect existence like Gage, who want to quit designing steel-framed highrise buildings and from a corner of their eyes saw what happened to ordinary people like Walesa or Havel.

How can Gage quit doing something he had never done in the first place?

 

[WildCat]

What, you want to sell that little piece of grass littered with cow dung as Boeing debris???

You think that's cow dung? Even the stuff on the roof?

FAIL!

 

[WildCat]

So, what did it turn out to be?

Gee whiz PB, finding that out would require, you know, actually investigating and stuff.

Surfing conspiracy sites is so much easier.

 

[PB2007]

Gee whiz PB, finding that out would require, you know, actually investigating and stuff.

Yeah but i want to hear from 9/11-investigator what it was....

I know it wasn't body parts or aircraft parts but 9/11-investigator seems to think it's a key part of the "proof" that FLight 93 was shot down.

I think it's his blog that's been shot down many times but he continues to try to get it to fly....

 

[beachnut]

What, you want to sell that little piece of grass littered with cow dung as Boeing debris???

I really have to protect Boeing against you.
Who needs evidence when I have you to debunk yourself!

This is what a 600 mph impact looks like for a 757. If you had knowledge on this subject you would know. But you remain ignorant on aircraft impacts as you post lies and laugh not knowing you are displaying ignorance.

Debris from 93.

The CVR, FDR, and all the passengers DNA was recovered from the impact area. Make your ideas on this this area moronic tripe.

 

[Athyrio]

JamesB posted this link earlier in this thread in oct 2006:

http://www.freedomisforeverybody.org/M/Col. Donn de Grand-Pre 64.mp3

Another colonel called our colonel over the phone to talk about 9/11 after the Alex Jones interview: they confirm the entire Bollyn-line: the neocon-conspiracy, Israel, even Zakheim, the fear for another 9/11, the mentioning of a sense of resistance within the army to crush the neocon conspiracy.

Revealing.

For the sake of accuracy, it was not a colonel who called a colonel. Alfons Olszewski was an E-4 in the service. Also at 2:38 in the interview you linked, Alfons clearly says he was not a colonel. You might want to correct this error on your blog. What they "confirmed" in that 20 minute conversation was nothing more than their own personal suspicions.

 

[9/11-investigator]

For the sake of accuracy, it was not a colonel who called a colonel. Alfons Olszewski was an E-4 in the service. Also at 2:38 in the interview you linked, Alfons clearly says he was not a colonel. You might want to correct this error on your blog. What they "confirmed" in that 20 minute conversation was nothing more than their own personal suspicions.

Thanks, I revised it.

To return the favour: your link does not work.

Regarding these personal suspicions: the colonel organized a 3 day conference about the subject on another continent, paid probably from his own pocket. The other **officer** was involved in a sort of 'military for 9/11-truth' organisation. They both most likely spent considerable time thinking 9/11 through before arriving at their conclusions. And if the colonel says that he knows the pilot that shot down the plane, then I am inclined to believe him. He sounded like a man of honour, not saying these things just for the heck of it.

 

[9/11-investigator]

[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris11e.jpg[/qimg]
This is what a 600 mph impact looks like for a 757. If you had knowledge on this subject you would know. But you remain ignorant on aircraft impacts as you post lies and laugh not knowing you are displaying ignorance.
[qimg]http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/flt93debris18sm.jpg[/qimg]
Debris from 93.

The CVR, FDR, and all the passengers DNA was recovered from the impact area. Make your ideas on this this area moronic tripe.

Ehh beachnut, I'm not entirely sure what you want to prove with these photo's of (empty) mooncrater look-a-likes other than that the US has a severe drought problem. Nobody disputes that F93 came down, although your photos do a very lousy job in proving even that. The issue here is the size of the debris field which is an indication of how exactly F93 came down: either in 'let's roll Hollywood' style (1 piece) or 'Lockerbie style', as I claim was the case with my MSM supported 8 miles diameter debris field.

And the Lockerbie plane leftover at least had a recognisable body.

Fortunately at least a visa was found of the hijacker on the location of impact otherwise people would have started to doubt that a plane had crashed there at all.

 

[beachnut]

Ehh beachnut, I'm not entirely sure what you want to prove with these photo's of (empty) mooncrater look-a-likes other than that the US has a severe drought problem. Nobody disputes that F93 came down, although your photos do a very lousy job in proving even that. The issue here is the size of the debris field which is an indication of how exactly F93 came down: either in 'let's roll Hollywood' style (1 piece) or 'Lockerbie style', as I claim was the case with my MSM supported 8 miles diameter debris field.

And the Lockerbie plane leftover at least had a recognisable body.

Fortunately at least a visa was found of the hijacker on the location of impact otherwise people would have started to doubt that a plane had crashed there at all.

You bring failed opinions.

Lockerbie broke up in flight and fell to earth.

Flight 93 flew into the ground faster than 600 mph.

So you lack the knowledge to understand physics and 911.

These are parts of 93 ejected from an impact of a 600 mph jet not blown up in the sky. You will fail to understand facts; you are too biased and lack the diversity around you needed to be the best.

 

[WildCat]

Ehh beachnut, I'm not entirely sure what you want to prove with these photo's of (empty) mooncrater look-a-likes other than that the US has a severe drought problem. Nobody disputes that F93 came down, although your photos do a very lousy job in proving even that. The issue here is the size of the debris field which is an indication of how exactly F93 came down: either in 'let's roll Hollywood' style (1 piece) or 'Lockerbie style', as I claim was the case with my MSM supported 8 miles diameter debris field.

You have actually proved the case that it hit in one piece. Breakup at altitude would have meant debris hit the ground at terminal velocity, far slower than 600 mph. That's why the Lockerbie plane had large recognizeable pieces, while Flight 93 did not.

Congrats 9/11-investigator, you proved that the "OCT" is correct!

 

[Lenbrazil]

The issue here is the size of the debris field which is an indication of how exactly F93 came down: either in 'let's roll Hollywood' style (1 piece) or 'Lockerbie style', as I claim was the case with my MSM supported 8 miles diameter debris field.

I'm sure this has been gone over, over and over again here, the dispersed debris was lightweight stuff like paper and seat covers found beyond the plane's flight path. The only heavy item distant from the hole was an engine part about 1000 feet (accounts vary) downhill. A 200+ ton plane hitting the ground at 500+ MPH produces a lot of energy

 

[9/11-investigator]

You bring failed opinions.

Lockerbie broke up in flight and fell to earth.

Flight 93 flew into the ground faster than 600 mph.

So you lack the knowledge to understand physics and 911.

OK, since you are the (self-professed) physics buff around here, you are going to explain to me why the impact crater in case of Lockerbie was much larger than in Shanksville, despite the fact that the Lockerbie plane came whirling from the sky like an autumn maple leaf and in contrast F93 came down like a mach3 Sunburn rocket fired by Iranians hell bent on sinking an American carrier in the Straight of Hormuz.

Good luck to you, Zweistein.

P.S. beachnut: in real life references from mum or yourself don't count.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

Hey Truther... care to explain flight 1771?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2012161848891209006

 

[Athyrio]

To return the favour: your link does not work.

Alfons. Scroll down to the member list.

Regarding these personal suspicions: the colonel organized a 3 day conference about the subject on another continent, paid probably from his own pocket. The other **officer** was involved in a sort of 'military for 9/11-truth' organisation. They both most likely spent considerable time thinking 9/11 through before arriving at their conclusions. And if the colonel says that he knows the pilot that shot down the plane, then I am inclined to believe him. He sounded like a man of honour, not saying these things just for the heck of it.

This is what Grand-Pre says about that "conference" to Alex Jones in the PP interview:

And then, you mentioned the interview in Portugal. I didn't actually go to Portugal but on 11 September, actually it was 12 September, I wrote to my friend Gen. Hugh Shelton, who was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs at that time. He was transited out. And he was replaced by Gen. Richard, what the heck was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs' The name escapes me. He was a four-star Air Force General. And, Myers, I guess, was the name. At any rate, I called together from 16 to 19 September, in the Pentagon area, not in the Pentagon, a group of military, civilian and general aviation pilots. And for three days, we kicked around what actually happened on 11 September. And then the investigator journalists covered that and it was reported in the Portugal news and very accurate.

Grande-Pre's address on the first page of this thread is listed as Culpeper, Virginia, which can be reached from the Pentagon with one Interstate and one state route. His expenses should not have been much at all. It could be that "in the Pentagon area" is Culpeper itself. Sounds like the guys had a 3 day bull session not unlike conversations seen on boards like this and if he were not computer illiterate, he might have been able to have accomplished it via the internet.


An E-4 is a corporal in the U.S. Army, not even a non-commissioned officer.