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Colonel Donn de Grand Pre

The_Fire said:
Oh joy: The worlds largest collection of nukes at the hands of a military dictatorship......Anyone know of a cheap ABC bunker for sale?
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Don't worry, I think the odds of Grand Pre being an actual Pentagon insider are about as great as those of me being a porn star.
 
BTW although I have to admit I have been lazy and never did a FOIA on this kook, I have done more work on his kookiness. Part of it is in a SLC post:

http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2007/09/donn-de-grand-pre-returns.html

Also, the original V911T poster sent out another "memo" along with more names of Grand Pres friends. They include:

Lt. Cmdr John Sharpe, who was relieved of duty as Navy PAO for belonging to a radical Catholic anti-Semitic organization.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/03/ntpaorelieved070309/

And Dr. Robert Hickson, who wrote a letter defending Sharpe


http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/sharpe_hickson.htm

And who belongs to another anti-Semitic Catholic organization called the Saint Benedict Center.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=782

And surely the connection between all these conspiracy theorists and racists is purely coincidental...

Also I have a PDF of one of Grand Pre's nutty books, if anyone wants it send me an e-mail. I would never spend any money on this Nazi crap, but it is an interesting study in mental illness.
 
Is it just me or does the Truther Movement seem uncommonly friendly to Anti Semites and other assorted bigots?
 
Someone around town has been leaving copies of The American Free Press...the 21st Century's answer to Streicher's Der Sturmer....around town. I take an occasional glance but inevitably dump it in the nearest trash can after just a few minutes. It is really that disgusting.
At one point,when I first ran across it, it at least made a weak attempt to mask it's Anti Semitism,but now they have pretty much outed themselves.
And this Hate Sheet is constanly quoted by Truthers,including some who would no doubt consider themselves as radical Left Wing revolutionaries. Crazy,just crazy.
 
The one thing that really strikes me as odd is the reference to serving during WW2. If Grand Pre is actually a retired military man, he would have to be at least 81 or older, and,seeminly, would have retired decades ago.
I see that the pownetwork.org has already been recommended at the beginning of the thread. I found their site a couple of years back, and can vouch for the fact that they love to go after and even prosecute imposters, especially high profile imposters and MOH imposters. They had quite a few listings of individuals posing as high ranking officers who had legitimate military service, but were almost always low ranking enlisted men.
With the publicity he is attracting and the claims he is making, it shouldn't be too long before his real story is known and the troothers lose another of their heroes.
 
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OldTigerCub said:
The one thing that really strikes me as odd is the reference to serving during WW2. If Grand Pre is actually a retired military man, he would have to be at least 81 or older, and,seeminly, would have retired decades ago.
I see that the pownetwork.org has already been recommended at the beginning of the thread. I found their site a couple of years back, and can vouch for the fact that they love to go after and even prosecute imposters, especially high profile imposters and MOH imposters. They had quite a few listings of individuals posing as high ranking officers who had legitimate military service, but were almost always low ranking enlisted men.
With the publicity he is attracting and the claims he is making, it shouldn't be too long before his real story is known and the troothers lose another of their heroes.
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I did a search on intelius.com There is a Donn R. Grandpre, age 81, in Virginia. There's also a Donn A. Grandpre, age 51, in South Dakota. My guess is that Grandpre the Elder really was in the Army, but that he has a grossly inflated opinion of his accomplishments and importance. Presumably Grandpre the Younger is his son, and may be the one who was an NCO.
 
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SpitfireIX said:
I did a search on intelius.com There is a Donn R. Grandpre, age 81, in Virginia. There's also a Donn A. Grandpre, age 51, in South Dakota. My guess is that Grandpre the Elder really was in the Army, but that he has a grossly inflated opinion of his accomplishments and importance. Presumably Grandpre the Younger is his son, and may be the one who was an NCO.
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Thanks, Spitfire!
I never heard of intelius.com...I will add that to my search library.
I met so many real heroes at my dad's army outfit reunion last year (10th Armored Division) that I was overwhelmed by what those guys did when they were just kids. Most were well into their 80's...a couple were in their 90's. It bacame pretty obvious very quickly that the men who really faced action don't want to be known as heroes...the heroes to them are the ones who never came home.
That's what makes me so sceptical of anyone making claims such as the ones Grand Pre makes.
Maybe that's the baseline for my "smell detector" these days...and Grand Pre's stories don't quite pass it.
 
JamesB said:
Don't worry, I think the odds of Grand Pre being an actual Pentagon insider are about as great as those of me being a porn star.
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What? You think you're not sexy enough? What about Ron Jeremy?

Or are you more...er..oh, my...EWWW!

One thing bothers me about the debunking of the F-16 pilot story. Is there a two-seater version of the F-16? I've never seen one, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Why would they send an F-16 to pick someone up?

Aside from that, Grand Pre seems the less credible party.

Looking at some of the authors published by the same publisher, I notice Corrie Ten Boom, who, as far as I can recall seems reasonably woo-free. But I also see Chuck Colson. Little smelly there.

THey strike me as a sort of Dominionist outfit. Is this any help in at least defining possible motivations or parochial aggenda?

Derail: I was not aware of the pownet fraud tracking function. Has anyone run Eric May through that filter?
 
CLAIM: In February 2004, retired Army Col. Donn de Grand-Pre said on "The Alex Jones Show," a radio talk show broadcast on 42 stations: "It [Flight 93] was taken out by the North Dakota Air Guard. I know the pilot who fired those two missiles to take down 93." LetsRoll911.org, citing de Grand-Pre, identifies the pilot: "Major Rick Gibney fired two Sidewinder missiles at the aircraft and destroyed it in midflight at precisely 0958."
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For those who are wondering, there is no way this story is true.

At 0958 flight 93 was flying at 5 000 ft. A couple of minutes later it climbed to 10 000 ft before crashing down. Would an aircraft destroyed in midflight by two sidewinder missiles climb another 5 000 ft in the following minutes?

The fighters never got anywhere near flight 93, what they did get to was DAL1989. But two planes were nearby. There was a white jet in the vicinity of Flight 93--a Dassault Falcon 20 business jet owned by the VF Corp. of Greensboro, N.C. The FAA asked them to investigate and they did. They got down within 1500 ft. of the ground when they circled. They saw a hole in the ground with smoke coming out of it. They pinpointed the location and then continued on. The only military plane in the vicinity of the crash site was an unarmed C-130 cargo plane.
 
leftysergeant said:
One thing bothers me about the debunking of the F-16 pilot story. Is there a two-seater version of the F-16? I've never seen one, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Why would they send an F-16 to pick someone up?
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A two seater version of the F-16 does indeed exist. Th F-16B and D are two seaters. As is shown

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16.htm


Having an F-16 fly to pick you up is peculiar, perhaps, it was deemed the quickest way of getting the guy there. I wish I had access to such a fantastic taxi service!! :D
 
buka001 said:
A two seater version of the F-16 does indeed exist. Th F-16B and D are two seaters. As is shown

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-16.htm


Having an F-16 fly to pick you up is peculiar, perhaps, it was deemed the quickest way of getting the guy there. I wish I had access to such a fantastic taxi service!! :D
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Apologies for sounding serious but the way I read it was that the plane was heading towards the destination anyway and he hitched a lift, not that a special trip was arranged.
 
SpitfireIX said:
I did a search on intelius.com There is a Donn R. Grandpre, age 81, in Virginia. There's also a Donn A. Grandpre, age 51, in South Dakota. My guess is that Grandpre the Elder really was in the Army, but that he has a grossly inflated opinion of his accomplishments and importance. Presumably Grandpre the Younger is his son, and may be the one who was an NCO.
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It would not be the first time someone who has been in the military inflates their service record. With the knowledge they have they can put up a preety good front. Having spent four years in the Navy I could make a preety convincing case that I was a Navy fighter pilot, even though I wasn't.
 
leftysergeant said:
What? You think you're not sexy enough? What about Ron Jeremy?
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Totally offtopic, but...

A couple of years back the "porn king of NZ" had a competition to find a NZ porn star with the winner going to star in a movie with Ron Jeremy. Turned out that after meeting him she pulled out rather than be in the movie with a ugly old geezer like him, lol.

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AMTMAN said:
It would not be the first time someone who has been in the military inflates their service record. With the knowledge they have they can put up a preety good front. Having spent four years in the Navy I could make a preety convincing case that I was a Navy fighter pilot, even though I wasn't.
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The plane in your avatar was a fine specimin of American engineering and fighter. Did you work on them?

DR
 
The link to Eric May should be e-mailed to the conspiracy shows that had him on the air.
 
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