Cold Reading Demos at TAM2

Posted by Bill Hoyt
In two different tries, done by two different people [i.e. Lurker and BillHoyt]...this test has rejected the null hypothesis.
Is the above statement of yours TRUE or FALSE, Bill?

Those are the only choices, true or false.
Which is it?
 
Clancie said:

Is the above statement of yours TRUE or FALSE, Bill?

Those are the only choices, true or false.
Which is it?

It is absolutely true, you ignoramus. Retract your lie or stay on my ignore list of one. Somebody else can tell me if and when anybody gets through to you about the difference between "rejecting the null hypothesis" and "drawing a conclusion," and if you deign to apologize.

You clearly have never read a scientific paper, wherein the "results" and "discussion" sections are always separate. The rejection or acceptance of the null hypothesis is a result. It appears in the results section. The discussion section begins the author's narrative on conclusions they draw from the results.

You have participated in the waste of dozens of pages on multiple threads arguing about an hypothesis and a test of that hypothesis. It has been a waste because you clearly understand nothing about the topics. Out of this ignorance and your arrogance you tell me I lied? Alleging that someone has lied has a prerequisite that you yourself understand the truth. You don't even understand the terms, let alone the truth.
 
Clancie said:
Is the above statement of yours TRUE or FALSE, Bill?

Those are the only choices, true or false.
Which is it?

This is rich. Clancie lecturing on logic.
 
Posted by Bill Hoyt

In two different tries, done by two different people [i.e. Lurker and BillHoyt]...this test has rejected the null hypothesis.

Where does Lurker make his own "J" count and, using Poisson, find that it rejects the null hypothesis, just like you did with your "J" count?

Rather than calling me more names, why not just provide the link and the quote to where Lurker does his own "different" try and rejects the null hypothesis, too? (Please provide the exact and complete quote this time)


P.S. I know you couldn't -possibly- be trying to say that because Lurker observed that you ran Poisson with your "J" count and got your result (which we all know) that somehow this makes "two different tries". Not even you would try to pass -that- one off, Bill, I'm sure.
 
BillHoyt said:

Uh-huh. And the data show, very clearly, that that tendency is greatly biased toward "J'. Not M. Not X. Not B or C or D. Not any of the other 25 letters in the alphabet but "J".

And you know this from how exactly? But lumping all the other letters into a 'non-J' bin?

Listen, regardless of if he uses J 1 billion times more than the other letters combined, the counts are not independent.
 
BillHoyt said:
Thanz, Kaffee Klatch,Interesting Ian,


Don't leave me out, Jr. ;)

You still have these questions to address or run from:

Would you consider the counts independent or not in the following example:

'I'm seeing a father figure, a J name, Joe, Joseph, Jim, Jerry'

and

Will you analyze, say 5 transcripts and have Thanz or someone do the same and present your results side by side with his?
 
BillHoyt said:

You clearly have never read a scientific paper, wherein the "results" and "discussion" sections are always separate.


Now he's apparently psychic. ;)


You have participated in the waste of dozens of pages on multiple threads arguing about an hypothesis and a test of that hypothesis. It has been a waste because you clearly understand nothing about the topics.


:i:

So I'm still wondering, and yes Bill, I'm pretty confident you are reading this, are the letter counts independent or dependent in the following example:

'I'm seeing a father figure, a J name, Joe, Joseph, Jim, Jerry'

and

Would you be up for analyzing, say 5 transcripts and have Thanz or someone analyze the same transcripts and present your results side by side with his?
 
T'ai Chi said:
Oh, I'm sure I could query something up...

Please do.

T'ai Chi said:
Why? You have something against those particular beverages?

No, but I have something against Ian abusing people because he is drunk. He should lay off it, if he can't handle it.
 
CFLarsen said:

Please do.


I'm more interested in your answers to:


Are the letter counts independent or dependent in the following example?
:

'I'm seeing a father figure, a J name, Joe, Joseph, Jim, Jerry'

and

Would you be up for Bill analyzing, say 5 transcripts and have Thanz or someone analyze the same transcripts and present their results side by side?


But my statistical model predicts no straight answers from you, with a very high probability..
 
T'ai Chi said:
I'm more interested in your answers to:

I'm sure you are. That does shift focus from your own claim.

Listen, if you can't back up your claims, why do you come up with them in the first place? You are asked, again and again, to back up your claims with evidence, but you back down, again and again.

You don't bring anything worthwhile to the table. You're a one-trick pony. A very boring one.
 
CFLarsen said:

I'm sure you are.


Yes, and I still am. This whole thread still is. People who are skeptical of Bill's counting method are. Here the questions are since you 'overlooked' them yet again:

Are the letter counts independent or dependent in the following example?:

'I'm seeing a father figure, a J name, Joe, Joseph, Jim, Jerry'

and

Would you be up for Bill analyzing, say 5 transcripts and have Thanz or someone analyze the same transcripts and present their results side by side?


But my statistical model predicts no straight answers from you, with a very high probability..


Wow! I guess I do know probability as I was correct here! Guess what I predict again; that Claus will not give straight answers to either of those questions, again.



Only if you have something interesting to say...


You are asked, again and again, to back up your claims with evidence, but you back down, again and again.


:i: (see above questions)


You don't bring anything worthwhile to the table. You're a one-trick pony. A very boring one.

Sure, that is why you can't stop yourself from responding, eh?

Why don't you answer something instead of ask something for a change. There are two very simple questions waiting for you in bold, above.

You don't seem to like questions put towards you. I wonder why that is..
 
Originally posted by BillHoyt
And this would naturally be the next sets of tests. With two data analyses both rejecting the null hypothesis that JE's names gueses are indistinguishable from population names, then we must ask: why? That question would call for more data and more tests. Either that or getting him into a real experimental setting sans the clowns who've tested him in the past.
Ok, no complaints here.

I especially agree with your last sentence.
 
As our gameshow studio audience slowly falls asleep, and our viewers at home switch to this weekend's FOX reruns of the OJ slow-speed car chase, we wonder if we will ever see the much-heralded arrival of our two remaining contestants. The final challenge was simple:

"Thanz,Interesting Ian,

if your next posts do not squarely, directly, accurately and insightfully address all the issues I just raised, I am done with you woo flies. I will be busy spending my time sharpening mallets for the next round of whack-a-woo."

Will they or won't they? Will they face the challenge or get called out for more deflection? Perhaps they'll go for the one-tr'ick-pony maneuver or perhaps they'll choose kaffee klatch's incompetent harpie maneuver and ground themselves on the shoals of lying about a lie?

Stay tuned for another instalment of As the Woos Turn.
 
Bill,

Still flinging around the insults, Bill? Still hounding people? I guess you missed my post to you above. Here it is again,
Posted by Bill Hoyt

In two different tries, done by two different people[i.e. Lurker and BillHoyt]...this test has rejected the null hypothesis.

Posted by Clancie

Where does Lurker make his own "J" count and, using Poisson, find that it rejects the null hypothesis, just like you did with your "J" count? This is what you're claiming. Where's your support for it?

Rather than calling me more names, why not just provide the link and the quote to where Lurker does his own "different" try and rejects the null hypothesis, too? (Please provide the exact and complete quote this time)


P.S. I know you couldn't -possibly- be trying to say that because Lurker observed that you ran Poisson with your "J" count and got your result (which we all know) that somehow this makes "two different tries". Not even you would try to pass -that- one off, Bill, I'm sure.
 
CFLarsen said:


Please do.



No, but I have something against Ian abusing people because he is drunk. He should lay off it, if he can't handle it.

I abuse people! :eek: I said some people are stupid, and so they are! Just witness yourself and Bill in this very thread. ;)
 
Clancie said:
Bill,

Still flinging around the insults, Bill? Still hounding people? I guess you missed my post to you above. Here it is again,

And don't forget my questions to Bill! :) Here they are again:

Are the letter counts independent or dependent in the following example?:

'I'm seeing a father figure, a J name, Joe, Joseph, Jim, Jerry'

and

Would you be up for, you, Bill, analyzing, say 5 transcripts and have Thanz or someone analyze the same transcripts and present their results side by side?

The first questions is directly related to all of the criticism on this thread: are the letter/name counts independent or not?

A simple question Bill... Oh, but since I'm a trolll or woo-woo you don't have to answer that?? Convenient for ya, ain't it?
 
Ah, goody. Ian's weighed in with his usual substantive content. We just await Thanz' last deflection.
 

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