Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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If I had a product with the property

All data provided above may be subject to change due to the ECATs rapid development. Technical specifications will continuously be updated when changes are made.
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I would not be promising to ship this product in four months.

Another fun spec:

Water Input Temperature 4-85 C
Water Output Temperature 85-120 C
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Pump 85 degree water in, get 85 degree water out? This part of the spec I actually believe.
 
ben m said:
If I had a product with the property



I would not be promising to ship this product in four months.

Another fun spec:



Pump 85 degree water in, get 85 degree water out? This part of the spec I actually believe.
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Let me see if I've got this straight. In return for your money, he will promise to send you one of his electric water heaters in four months, and he further promises that the temperature differential will be somewhere between 0 and 116 degrees? Where do I sign up?
 
TjW said:
Well here's a goodie -- the fuel costs will be negligible. Wait, what?! I thought you put in electricity and got out heat. Now there's a fuel involved, too? Isn't that new, or have I just not been following it closely enough.
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Ooooh my. You have not been paying attention. Rossi claims that he gets his energy by fusing hydrogen with nickel. The power input is used for preheating the nickel. Maybe. He has, of course, never specified exactly why he needs to do this once the reaction is up and running, claiming only "stability" issues. Except when he claims he has run it in standalone mode. And when he claims that the reaction has never run away. And...

Go back to the beginning of the thread, or even better the parent thread http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=198040. The first page will give you an introduction to the circus.
 
Akuma Tennou said:
errrr why spoiling the fun? think like a loony

that's the only thing they'll read
the guru himself says it


the only thing that annoys me is that i must wait 4 months to see a moment of clarity in some believers... but it'll be soooo fun :D
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It will be purchased by a secret customer/s and you will never hear of it again.
All the real customers will be waiting indefinitely for the delivery :-)

Regards,
Yevgen
 
Bump. Now that Fleischmann is dead let the conspiratorial ravings begin again.
 
So, what's Rossi up to these days? Still waiting for a convincing demo.
 
If Rossi actually has something, all he needs to do is let one of his "buyers" speak up and invite scientists in to see it. He hasn't, and there hasn't been a peep from the supposed "buyers". He seems to be the sole source of information on those claims.

This, to me, suggests Rossi, in fact, does not have anything.
 
Dancing David said:
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I'll be here Dec 1. I'm not sure myself about Rossi, but there are people that wouldn't believe in this device if they were boiling to death in the water it was heating.
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We know that heat came out and we know electricity went in, the problem is that the measurements were so poor we can't say much else.

I am not doubting anything other than the fact that the effect is undemonstrated.
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I saved this post from June 12,2011 , since then Dec. 1 has passed. There is no confirmation that Rossi has done anything remarkable. I would say at this point the silence of the e-cat is overwhelming.

So despite all the puff, bluster and arguments of Rossi supporters, all the power points out of place and allusions to events that did not happen.

There is still no confirmation.
 
Dancing David said:
I saved this post from June 12,2011 , since then Dec. 1 has passed. There is no confirmation that Rossi has done anything remarkable. I would say at this point the silence of the e-cat is overwhelming.

So despite all the puff, bluster and arguments of Rossi supporters, all the power points out of place and allusions to events that did not happen.

There is still no confirmation.
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Some events have indeed happened, but perhaps more on the marketing than on the scientific side. Rossi has appointed a licencee for Italy and San Marino by the name of Aldo Proia. For this gentleman's background, see:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/07/new-interview-with-aldo-prioa/
He made contact with Leonardo corporation following changes in the law in Italy which negatively affected the large scale photovoltaic installation business he was previously involved in.
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It's rather surprising that changes in the law have made Proia's PV operation go negative, and I would be grateful for an explanantion. It seems to be a booming business in Italy, and there are plenty of solar farms. See wiki:
Italy ranked among the world’s largest producers of electricity from solar power with an installed photovoltaic nameplate capacity of 12,750 MW at the end of 2011 and 263,594 plants in operation as of 18 August 2011. The total energy produced by solar power in 2011 was 10,730 GWh, about 3.2% of the total energy demand of 332.3 TWh. The installed photovoltaic capacity, compared to the previous year, has tripled in 2010 and almost quadrupled in 2011.
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Indeed, three years ago Proia was actively seeking investors in his business, part of the booming PV industry. http://it.viadeo.com/fr/questions/reponses/?memberId=0024f3yf604njqg
Collaboro con una società di sviluppo e progettazione Parchi solari da 1/2 e 3 MW in Emilia Romagna per un totale di 11 MW, cerchiamao investitori.
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I hope that these "investitori" didn't lose too much, a hope which I extend to anyone adventurous enough to put money into the Rossi e-cat!

It will be recalled that changes in the law are given also as the cause of the failure of Rossi's venturesome Petroldragon project back in the seventies. These changes seem to dog the footsteps of Italian energy pioneers.

Another similarity is that both Proia and Rossi have uttered stern threats to pursue "slanderers" with great rigour. See http://cold-fusion.us/aldo-proia-warning-for-critics-of-e-cat-573100 These men have much in common, and must surely be able to collaborate to great mutual advantage.
 
Dancing David said:
I saved this post from June 12,2011 , since then Dec. 1 has passed. There is no confirmation that Rossi has done anything remarkable. I would say at this point the silence of the e-cat is overwhelming.

So despite all the puff, bluster and arguments of Rossi supporters, all the power points out of place and allusions to events that did not happen.

There is still no confirmation.
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On 28 October 2011 the unit was "customer tested" and was said to release 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps
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Humm...

Just another free energy scam. Throw some bafflegab theories about, build a bogus device and con some academics into lending their prestige>>>profit.
 
Dancing David said:
So where is the fully functional unit demonstrated?

You know the one that was going to be available Dec. 1, 2012

:D
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Well an investigation by the Florida Bureau of Radiation Controlforced Rossi to admit that he has no factory and his magic water heater doesn't utilise any nuclear reactions, but that was back in March.
Oh and Rossi has his own 'Stop Rossi' site now. :D
 
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