Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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Can I buy e-Cat already. I'm anxious for new home pet.

Defkalion is back in the picture:

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Down in Mullumbimby, New South Wales, Australia, a hundred citizens turned out to hear Andrea Rossi explain his invention via Skype. The audience included a science advisor whose report would influence an investor who had promised to donate $200,000 if the machine worked.

As reported by the Lismore Northern Star:

But a "technological mishap" brought it all unstuck - Mr Rossi never rang.

Meeting organiser and Byron New Energy Charitable Trust founder Sol Millin didn't call the scientist because, he said, Mr Rossi was a busy man and he did not want to disturb him.
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The investor's representative and the local press were unimpressed.

Mr Millin yesterday remained adamant the machine worked and claimed he and Mr Rossi were portrayed unfairly.
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W.D.Clinger said:
Down in Mullumbimby, New South Wales, Australia, a hundred citizens turned out to hear Andrea Rossi explain his invention via Skype. The audience included a science advisor whose report would influence an investor who had promised to donate $200,000 if the machine worked.

As reported by the Lismore Northern Star:




The investor's representative and the local press were unimpressed.
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@ this scam
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There's a bit more to the identity of the so-called "investor".

Oz skeptic offers prize if Rossi’s E-cat works

Australian entrepreneur, philanthropist, skeptic, aviator and eccentric Dick Smith has offered $AU200,000 for proof that the Andrea Rossi “energy catalyzer” actually works.

With a local in the town of Mullumbimby hoping to pitch the E-cat to locals as an attractive investment, Smith has offered to send along Australian Skeptics member, engineer and debunker Ian Bryce to the meeting to assess Rossi’s claims, according to this wide-eyed, breathless and clueless report from the Sydney Morning Herald.
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leonAzul said:
There's a bit more to the identity of the so-called "investor".

Oz skeptic offers prize if Rossi’s E-cat works
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Here's a good quote:


The Herald’s approach, “it’s supposed to be impossible but wouldn’t it be great if it were true?”, is hardly in the interests of suckers who need only a small push to start handing over their retirement savings.

Since the Herald won't say it, The Register will: do not invest any money in E-cat until someone can reproduce the experiment and explain the mechanism by which the fusion takes place, to the satisfaction of the scientific journals. Or until Smith signs a cheque for his $AU200k.
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We need more people saying this.
 
We only have the host's word that Rossi was even scheduled to call, and his odd excuse for why he didn't. (If someone is really so busy that "I'm calling to remind you that there are 200 people waiting for you" would be a terrible imposition, then they're also busy enough to have a secretary that screens such calls.) I wonder if the whole "Rossi will call" statement was a lie and part of some sort of confidence scam.

a) Announce, in a local and hope-for-no-national-press way, a teleconference with John Roebling seeking funds to buy the Brooklyn Bridge.
b) Get people into the room get them warmed up.
c) Abort the event just before Roebling would have shown up. "Oh, we're really sorry, the telephone failed to connect."
d) Act disappointed: "Oh no! The phone snafu has scared off <rich local investor>. I guess all of you small-investors will miss out, too. Sorry folks. I'll pack up."
e) Take a conspicuously long time to pack up; three or four people will approach you in the empty meeting hall and hand over their life savings. These are people are smart enough not to give money to a random-man-on-the-street, but here they think they're giving it to Roebling.

Just guesswork, of course. I don't see any mention of the event on Rossi's blogs.
 
A press release on Australian Skeptics about the conclusions of Ian Bryce (the aerospace engineer sent by Dick Smith to investigate Rossi's ECAT cold fusion machine): “Cold fusion” tests misled scientists.
Full press release (PDF) and technical notes (PDF)

Basically bad wiring and poor placement of thermometers explains the results without any extra physics. It is thus up to Rossi to do his "experiments" more competently in order to eliminate these possibilities.
 
Reality Check said:
A press release on Australian Skeptics about the conclusions of Ian Bryce (the aerospace engineer sent by Dick Smith to investigate Rossi's ECAT cold fusion machine): “Cold fusion” tests misled scientists.
Full press release (PDF) and technical notes (PDF)

Basically bad wiring and poor placement of thermometers explains the results without any extra physics. It is thus up to Rossi to do his "experiments" more competently in order to eliminate these possibilities.
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Ian Bryce posted this in the other Rossi thread about this particular event:



Ian Bryce said:
Hi, I am the aerospace engineer sent by Dick Smith to investigate Rossi's ECAT cold fusion machine. Also Chief Investigator, Australian Skeptics.
Since the publicity about the Mullumbimby meeting, I have found a possible explanation for how the 15 scientists were misled by the demonstrations, and gave some support for cold fusion.
Up to July 2011, the so-called 10 and 3 KW ECATS seemed to produce about 3 KW out (as steam and hot water) while only consuming 300-800 W from the power point. My hypothesis is that the earth wire was misconnected to the active pin inside the power plug, and to a second power controller inside the blue box, thus bypassing the power monitoring instruments. A simple switch would briefly disconnect the extra power should any observer approach the amp meter.
After July, the much larger 27 KW ECAT had a misplaced thermocouple, which gave an inflated value for T (out). The real output power could have been 3000 W or lower, again within the capacity of the power point.
I have discussed this with several scientists who observed tests, and they say it is possible.
My full press release is at the site of Australian Skeptics. Full details are in the linked supporting documents.
Thus I believe there is NO remaining ECAT tests with unexplained power gain.
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Surprised you haven't jumped all over Lubos Motl's comments yet - like excited little puppies.
 
Craig B said:
For yet another demolition job on Rossi's claims (if another one is needed!) see this by the sceptical Steve Krivit, whom Rossi dismisses as a "snake". http://newenergytimes.com/v2/news/2012/Report-4-Rossis-NASA-Test-Fails-to-Launch.shtml
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And here are some demolition jobs on Krvit. Of course, you won't think they are:

Not as smart as a fifth grader
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http://world.std.com/~mica/krivit02052012.html

KRIVIT’s Past History of Systematic Disingenuity and Inaccuracy
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http://world.std.com/~mica/DisingenuousKrivit20072.pdf

However, Krivit’s articles, on close examination, turn out to involve a mere ‘exercise in blackening’ supported by little substance and no little degree of misrepresentation and error.
Since I was once chosen as target for such treatment (to which reference should be made to understand the details in the following), I am in a position to demonstrate Krivit’s modus operandi in detail. After this I will attempt an analysis of the underlying psychology.
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http://www.tcm.phy.cam.ac.uk/~bdj10/articles/NET1.html

Widom – Larsen advocate, Steven Krivit, recently published three articles, two of which were either authored by Lewis Larsen, or contained references to Larsen’s theory. The third article is an index compiled by Krivit pertaining to his on-going attempt to undermine the legitimacy of McKubre’s ‘M4′ work.
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http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg62772.html

Link to rapid Larsen defence of Krivit (see comments), on Hekman’s blog: http://randyhekman2012.com/_blog/Blog/post/Energy_America's_Next_'Space_Race'_/

In the past I believe Krivit has strongly given the impression that scientific fraud was perpetuated by McKubre. I recall this particular issue hit me right in the face when I was still a New Energy Times board member. This happened a year or two ago, when Krivit went on an internet radio show and implied that key CF researchers had “lied” about their research. Krivit didn’t directly say they ‘lied’ about their data during the interview, but he made it quite clear what he wanted the listeners to draw such a conclusion. I privately talked about the content of Krivit’s interview to a lawyer I have known for years. His response back to me was that Krivit was using ‘weasel words’… to imply what he really wanted his listeners to conclude.
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http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg59670.html
 
Aam - that's the cool thing about science. The data doesn't lie, but people can misinterpret and/or lie. Rossi won't let anyone really test his stuff to do science. All the ad hominmen attacks on Krivit or Rossi don't matter without reliable data. To go beyond the null hypothesis (cold "fusion" does not work), positive, repeatable evidence is required.

CT
 
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