Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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unclep2k said:
Looks like the University of Illinois and Iowa State University are becoming big players in this technology.
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Now that there are "big players" in this "technology", when will one of them actually do a competent and non-super-secret calorimetry experiment?

You can make personality-based excuses for Rossi, like "his technology works, but he acts like a scammer because he's paranoid and secretive", but not for arbitrary numbers of people.
 
Whats kind of strange. Ames Lab where Brian Ahrens is supposed to be producing the nanomaterials for University of Illinois professor george Miley is funded by the Department of Energy. The Department of Energy is openly skeptical of lenr. Is our government keeping secrets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames_Laboratory
 
unclep2k said:
Whats kind of strange. Ames Lab where Brian Ahrens is supposed to be producing the nanomaterials for University of Illinois professor george Miley is funded by the Department of Energy. The Department of Energy is openly skeptical of lenr. Is our government keeping secrets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ames_Laboratory
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From the Wiki link, emphasis added by me:
Ames Laboratory is a United States Department of Energy national laboratory located in Ames, Iowa. The Laboratory conducts research into various areas of national concern, including the synthesis and study of new materials, energy resources, high-speed computer design, and environmental cleanup and restoration.
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So regardless of the DOE's stance on LENR they're mission includes funding research into new materials like Brian Ahrens' nanomaterials. No CT is needed to explain the DOE funding.
 
paulhutch said:
So regardless of the DOE's stance on LENR they're mission includes funding research into new materials like Brian Ahrens' nanomaterials. No CT is needed to explain the DOE funding.
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Yep. I've seen nanomaterials in several patent applications in the last few years. They do have some interesting properties, and can produce useful effects that bulk materials don't show. The potential of these things is quite real, and worth researching. Just don't expect the real results to include cold fusion.
 
unclep2k said:
Sounds like a battle is brewing for patents
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What battle ? The stuff I saw in rossi patent would not be worth a patent as it is neither innovative nor non obvious to somebody in the art (it is basically just a reaction chamber with heating and coolant circulation). The catalyzer is not patented and kept as a secret item. So assuming (and that is a big IF) that such catalyzer exists and do indeed work as intended, anybody patenting it now wins automatically in all first-to-file countries. More or less the whole world minus the US (unless alw changed there recentely). So no battle, rossi losses.

Think about this : why did not Rossi patent the catalyzer out of the wazoo ? Why ? I can think of a lot of why : anybody could have checked whether it worked or not as the patent would have given out how it is made. And I am 100(minus epsilon) % certain that this would have quickly led to a string of "not working".

So don't expect patent battle.

All I see some scammer trying to go on the bandwaggon (like that swiss company).
 
All these people wanting so desperately to believe something that any charlatan can ring the bell and make them salivate are sad. It really shakes what faith I have in my fellow human beings to see this outright and obvious fraud leading them on for going on a year now.
 
BenBurch said:
All these people wanting so desperately to believe something that any charlatan can ring the bell and make them salivate are sad. It really shakes what faith I have in my fellow human beings to see this outright and obvious fraud leading them on for going on a year now.
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Also, look at all those scam or delusional people in pesn or pes wiki.

I have lost my faith in humanity 30 years ago. You get used to it. At least I can't become an old cynical codger with age, I was already that way in my 20's.
 
Aepervius said:
I have lost my faith in humanity 30 years ago. You get used to it. At least I can't become an old cynical codger with age, I was already that way in my 20's.
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<old cynical codger>
Evidence?




:)
 
Dancing David said:
November 30, 2011

Look Rocky, I am going to pull a rabbit out of my hat
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Hey, come on!

http://ecatnews.com/?p=1487

Herb Gillis
November 28th, 2011 at 12:42 PM

Andrea Rossi:
How long do you think it will be before there is a 1MW customer that is willing to talk about their experiences with the product and act as a reference? Having another customer out there who is willing to act as a reference could provide tremendous leverage. This would be far more valuable than any public test. It would silence the skeptics forever.

Andrea Rossi
November 28th, 2011 at 6:48 PM

Dear Herb Gills:
Today we sold in the USA a 1 MW plant which will go to a normal Customer. This installation will be visitable by the qualified public.
We wait to have completed the contractual procedure through the attorneys, then we will give communication. It will be in the North East of the USA, where I have been in these days.
Warm Regards,
A.R.
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See? He almost has a customer who's almost willing to be publicly known!


And hey, he's sold 13 more of them, although he still can't tell you anything else about it....

http://ecatreport.com/rossi/the-e-cat-grows-bigger-now-a-13-mw-power-plant

We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it’s a military research and I can’t reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer.
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But, Defkalion is still in the game, with something big supposed to happen today....
http://ecatnews.com/?p=1481
http://defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=567

Dear all,
We will release the expected info pre-announced on November 14th 2011, on Wednesday, November 30th 2011.
Thank you for your attention
Defkalion GT
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Oh, and apparently he was punking Defkalion this whole time....

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=516&cpage=14#comment-129682

Look to what is going on around the Balcans: there are clowns saying they have a technology copied from us, actually they have just a moke up, waiting for the piece of info they need to make a real copy. They believed we would have been selling in October the small E-Cats, so announced they would have made a demo in october ( buying a model, disguising it as a copy made by them). But it was just a trap we made. Conclusion: from now on we will be more sealed than ever, and we will be open exclusively with our Customers.
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He also says:

To put for sale the small unts we need:
1- safety certification
2- granted patents
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But, since we know he's concealed essential details of his device, we know he won't be getting any patents - giving him a perfect excuse to never sell a smaller version that people could actually afford to buy and test...
 
Rossi's "secret customers" must be pretty thoroughly committed to secrecy. If they'd pipe up and allow their generator to be audited, they'd be eligible for renewable energy credits and tax breaks, typically in the ballpark of $20,000/MW/y.

But no, of course they wouldn't do that. Buying a secret, untested product on the strength of a blog and a three-hour staged demo, then hiding the fact that you've bought it, is perfectly normal practice in cloud cuckoo land.
 
OK, commenting as an engineer (mechanical though), Looks like they’ve got a “non hazardous” “Chemical” “Self destruct” “method” with undisclosed “Sensors” “Controls and electronics”. So essentially the primary operational component of the unit can be destroyed by a chemical that’s apparently not very, well, chemically active.

Also there is purportedly a “chemical assisted pre heating” with “media” that’s “Not to be disclosed”. Seems their ‘pre heat’ “chemical” might be more reactive than their “self destruct” chemical.
 
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