Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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You make it all sound so simple. Can anyone be sure there wasn't a period where, their inventions were looked upon much as Rossi's is now, and they opted to avoid the big money crowd?

Anyone who spends 5 minutes looking at the history of these inventions can be pretty sure of it. See:

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/bledison.htm

August 12, 1877, is the date popularly given for Edison's completion of the model for the first phonograph. It is more likely, however, that work on the model was not finished until November or December of that year, since he did not file for the patent until December 24, 1877.

Readers of his patent applications can replicate the devices. And telephones are not equipped with self-destruct devices to protect the "sensible" info concealed in their guts. In spite of omitting this precaution Edison made money. Lots of it!

Why didn't "big money" stop him, to protect its investment in existing technology like the telegraph? And for that matter why was the telegraph not earlier suppressed by "big money" to protect its investments in the Pony Express, and tying messages to pigeons' legs? Because the telegraph WORKS.

Electric lighting works too.

There are a couple of other interesting things about the invention of the light bulb: While most of the attention was on the discovery of the right kind of filament that would work,

Attention on the right kind of things that work - that's the key, seemingly.

Edison actually had to invent a total of seven system elements that were critical to the practical application of electric lights as an alternative to the gas lights that were prevalent in that day.

The gas interests were quite unable to suppress the new light. They competed with it by introducing improved gas mantles, cooking hobs, water heaters etc., to retain their customers.

The seven systems were:

the parallel circuit, a durable light bulb, an improved dynamo, the underground conductor network, the devices for maintaining constant voltage, safety fuses and insulating materials, and light sockets with on-off switches.

Before Edison could make his millions, every one of these elements had to be invented and then, through careful trial and error, developed into practical, reproducible components.

Quite so!

The success of his electric light brought Thomas Edison to new heights of fame and wealth, as electricity spread around the world. ( ... )The tremendous amount of capital needed to develop the incandescent lighting industry had necessitated the involvement of investment bankers such as J.P. Morgan.

So J.P.M. - and if there was ever "big money" he was it! - didn't stifle the electric light at birth - he embraced it (because it works), and he and its inventor made millions.

And as to with the cinematograph .... But enough. We see the picture. Why is the history of cold fusion so different? Because it doesn't work; it can't be reproduced, it's not reliable.

Not because it's being suppressed by malevolent all powerful big money manipulators.
 
So how much time has to pass without an actual working product before the proponents of this particular fraud give up? Six months? (We've had six months) A year? 2 years? How long before we can revisit this thread and say 'yep, still nothing. Must have been a scam'? It reminds me of a car that's sitting for sale nearby; my wife has talked with the seller a couple of times. It looks like a nice car, the price is reasonable, but every time she talks with him he has a reason why no one can test drive it. It's been there a year. Conclusion; it's not actually for sale. Why doesn't matter. If it was for sale, some selling would be going on. Not preordering, not drumming up investors, selling, as in 'here's my money' and 'here's your e-cat'.
 
So how much time has to pass without an actual working product before the proponents of this particular fraud give up?

How about "never"? Look at Blacklight Power (founded 1991): They claimed in 1997 that they were "just 6 months away" from a working product. Did they deliver? Of course not. In 2009 their venture funding hat increased to 60(!) million.

Or Steorn: An amateur compared to BLP, but 5 years of promises is no slouch either...

Rossi has pushed the "release date" already and he will keep pushing it into the future. And some people will never lose faith....
 
How about "never"? Look at Blacklight Power (founded 1991): They claimed in 1997 that they were "just 6 months away" from a working product. Did they deliver? Of course not. In 2009 their venture funding hat increased to 60(!) million.

Or Steorn: An amateur compared to BLP, but 5 years of promises is no slouch either...

Rossi has pushed the "release date" already and he will keep pushing it into the future. And some people will never lose faith....

At least hot fusion is honest enough to admit they're decades away from commercial use.
 
How about "never"? Look at Blacklight Power (founded 1991): They claimed in 1997 that they were "just 6 months away" from a working product. Did they deliver? Of course not. In 2009 their venture funding hat increased to 60(!) million.

Or Steorn: An amateur compared to BLP, but 5 years of promises is no slouch either...

Rossi has pushed the "release date" already and he will keep pushing it into the future. And some people will never lose faith....

What a bunch of suckers. I just wish I was less ethical. When surrounded by sheep, it's hard for me not to conceive of acting like a wolf, but for some reason I never do. This particular line of fraud would be so easy to get into.
 
The point cuddle was making (i think) is that you cannot avoid FULLY disclosing everything in a patent, failure to do so make it invalid/useless to protect your invention.

Not true. There are ways around making a full disclosure yet still making the patent valid.

Yous till have not answered to my request of you showing example of valid patent where the central point is kept a secret.
 
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3194216.ece

‘The contract can be defined by two basic steps. The first is an experimental test. If the test goes well, there will be an initial down payment. Thereafter, the principal payment of a greater economic impact will be done when the plant of one megawatt is delivered, ‘Pascucci said.

Underlined my emphasis. It looks like money will be changing hands... After a "test".
 
Another test

Something else for you to consider:

http//blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/06/14/solving-the-mystery-of-the-energy-catalzyer/

You have to add the colon yourselves, which shouldn't be a problem.

Posted on June 14, 2011 by Steven B. Krivit

Several months ago Andrea Rossi, inventor of the Energy Catalzyer (E-Cat) agreed to grant me an interview and to show me his invention. He agreed to show the E-Cat to me in operation, to take video footage of it and interview him on camera.

I am now in Milan and will be in Bologna in a few hours...
 
At least hot fusion is honest enough to admit they're decades away from commercial use.

LOL! Let's stroll back a few years ...

How about this from a collection of articles published by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists back in 1971 (http://books.google.com/books?id=jA...&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=fusion&f=false ):

On Misunderstanding the Atom

[by] Glenn T Seaborg [retiring Chairman of the US Atomic Energy Commission]

I want to speak quite bluntly and frankly about what is on the minds of many people today concerning nuclear energy and its future ... snip ...

... snip ...

By the year 2000 we will also have seen the successful control of thermonuclear fusion, and perhaps the first full-scale fusion demonstration plant in operation.

:D
 
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