BeAChooser
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LOL! Don't you think Rossi's claims regarding what will happen in October and November of this year pretty much answers your question?
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LOL! Don't you think Rossi's claims regarding what will happen in October and November of this year pretty much answers your question?
BenBurch
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I say we have no reason to think that either institution is actually involved whatsoever in this confidence swindle. We just have the say-so of the grifter.
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BenBurch
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Many scientists were convinced of N-rays, too. In this case we have, what, three? Out of how many? Not even a particularly GOOD fraud.
Dancing David
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Appeal to authority, you do know this is the JREF , correct?
Here's another believer in lenr. There are actually getting to be a lot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Duncan_(physicist)
BenBurch
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Show me ONE CNF device I can buy, and which will work if I do buy it.
Lenr has been very difficult to replicate and control-no doubt about that. P&F even had trouble replication after their original supply of palladium ran out. It seems to be a material science problem where the processing of the palladium is critical to hydrogen loading and the reaction becoming active. This is very similar to the problems confronted in the early development of the transistor when not much was known about silicon purity and doping. They used to make huge batches of transistors and just pick out the small percentage of ones that worked. With lots of money spent and years of research, they can now manufacture solid state devices very reliably. That doesn't change the fact that excess heat phenomenon has been observed in many labs by many scientists. There are a lot of scientific papers available supporting this. Even before Rossi's supposed dramatic breakthrough, there had been some progress and reactions were becoming much more reliable. The use of nano particles giving more surface exposed to hydrogen seemed to be a major breakthrough.
BenBurch
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Irreproducible results are junk science.
Re Dennis Bushnell's seeming support for the Rossi e-cat, there is a fascinating interview with him in the "science 2.0" blog, dated June 11, 2007. Rossi's alchemical contraption is not his only enthusiasm.
h t t p : //w w w.science20.com/david_houle/leading_thinkers_and_scientists_on_energy_dennis_m_bushnell
In response to, "What do you think are the most promising forms of energy to replace petroleum short term?* Why?" Dennis M. Bushnell, NASA Chief Scientist, lists 10 possibilities, including:
His response to "What about long term?* Why?" is given as:
And there it ends, so we don't get to learn about the seven varieties of ZPE, or whatever Dennis Bushnell may have had in mind. That is the only one of his responses which seems to have been abridged, or at least is evidently incomplete. It would be interesting to know why.
h t t p : //w w w.science20.com/david_houle/leading_thinkers_and_scientists_on_energy_dennis_m_bushnell
In response to, "What do you think are the most promising forms of energy to replace petroleum short term?* Why?" Dennis M. Bushnell, NASA Chief Scientist, lists 10 possibilities, including:
His response to "What about long term?* Why?" is given as:
And there it ends, so we don't get to learn about the seven varieties of ZPE, or whatever Dennis Bushnell may have had in mind. That is the only one of his responses which seems to have been abridged, or at least is evidently incomplete. It would be interesting to know why.
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This thread's been going six months, after the press release early in the year. From some of the links I've seen, supposedly a working unit was providing total power and heat to Rossi's shop/lab/some random factory for years previously. This shouldn't be in the 'just one more tweak, and a few more investor dollars and we'll have it' stage, unless he's pulling a Keely.
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Exactly right, and a point others have made. We're still quibbling about poorly-done calorimetry, while at the same time he claims he's heated his factory with these things since about 2008.
So, where are his records of utilities bills? A dramatic drop in such bills coincident with his claimed use of "e-cats" would be more convincing than anything we've seen so far, but he's been strangely silent on this issue.
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This claim of his, that he's been heating his factory with the devices, is enough to show that he's engaging in deliberate fraud, rather than mere incompetence.
Tricky
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Some posts moved to AAH. Please do not derail thread with unrelated issues.
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I would think just one verified incident of excess heat would get the attenion of the scientific community. Why it is difficult to replicate is what you want to discover. Especially with it being a potential cheap, clean source off energy. Isn't that what you people do? Or do you just want to study stuff that already fits your textbook mold.
Interesting that you should point that out. I learned this first hand during my first job after graduating with a Chem. Eng. degree. I was a production engineer at Philco-Ford from 1958 to 1961. They used zone refining to purify the silicone to produce rough cylinder shapes. These were sliced into wafers. I don't recall how the doping was done. The wafers were cut into small chips and further processed to attach the electrodes and encapsulated. Of say 100 chips starting the process, maybe 5 passed the final test of the encapsulated unit. I was mainly involved with the process that went into attaching the electrodes.
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