Merged Cold Fusion Claims

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Andrea Rossi
June 2nd, 2011 at 8:15 PM
Dear Ms Maryyugo:
Not yet. Soon, yes.
Warm regards,
A.R.
maryyugo
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Dear Mr. Rossi,
 
maryyugo
June 2nd, 2011 at 4:32 PM
Dear Mr. Rossi,

Than you for your answer however I was not asking about public conferences. What I was hoping to determine was simply whether or not the University of Upsala (or any other university) has in their physical possession at this present time an E-Cat to test. Or whether such tests are for the future. I was not requesting that you reveal any results prematurely. Only whether or not the University has an E-Cat to test. Sorry if my question was not clear. Best regards, M. Y.
 
Dancing David said:
Um, when he does what he should have done the first time and uses proper methods then I will be able to say
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"proper methods"? But DD, his goals are not to further science. Were I in his shoes and the patent office wouldn't issue a patent simply because of the phrase "cold fusion", I'd be doing the same thing. Look, but don't touch.
 
attaboy said:
Certainly. If they had been impressed they probably would have looked further. I'd be surprised, though, if they'd throw in support without a thorough investigation.
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They supported it before they even got to investigate it....

Their February interview that was before they got to test it, as text and video with subtitles
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3111124.ece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk28SfWsn4g

Mats Lewan: We’re sitting here at the Ny Teknik’s newsroom and have had a conversation about the ‘energy catalyzer’ that is invented by the Italian engineer Andrea Rossi, and is a device that produces energy with something that appears to be a kind of fusion reaction, but maybe we should not call it that.

With me I have Professor Sven Kullander and Associate Professor Hanno Essen who we’ve been talking with, and I’d like to ask you Sven to try to summarize what you think ... what are your considerations on this invention, what do you think about it and how you think we should look upon it at this moment.

(The transcript is edited by Kullander):

Kullander: In this case, you have to believe in the inventor Rossi, who says he has been producing heat without any input of energy except for what you have inside the device. Thus, 100 kWh in ten hours.

And in addition, he has heated a building in Bologna for a year.

And then, the reaction itself, namely the proton capture of nickel, is something completely new in the cold-fusion context, and it should therefore not be dismissed without further investigation.

But the problem is that Rossi, and to some extent Focardi, won’t release any details. It is unknown what the reactor looks like inside, what substances it contains, the patent is not approved, so therefore the experiment cannot be repeated. And therefore the process cannot be scientifically grounded.

The question now is the reliability of the information we have been supplied. But I think we need to continue to monitor the development, because if the experiment would turn out to be true, it gives mankind new ways to gain an additional energy source.

Mats Lewan: What is it that makes you think it may be credible despite the lack of some essential pieces of information?

Kullander: Well, partly because he says it, partly because it is a process that is kinematically perfectly possible (a reaction that produces energy if it really occurs) and partly because he has optimized (the process) in different ways. In the case of nickel powder, for example, he has maximized the surface to optimize the adhesion of hydrogen. On point after point, he has behaved rationally in order to optimize the experimental conditions. On the other hand we cannot from molecular physics and nuclear physics find an acceptable explanation. We need to get more data from the experiment before we can start thinking about explanations.

Essén: What I think is important in this context is that for the first time, so to speak, there is a device which is made in many units and which is being sold, and has been tested by independent people -- input, output -- how much energy that comes in and how much that comes out, in circumstances which these people have controlled.

And that has not happened before in this context. So the physicist Levi believes in this, and the physicist Focardi believes in this, and I believe (their credibility) is above all doubts. It is of course difficult to assess the inventor Andrea Rossi, but there are enough people involved, and enough good data and reports to make it look very seriously at this stage.

Mats Lewan: You have both had the opportunity to send questions directly to Rossi via email, and have received replies. What impression have you got from this dialogue?

Kullander: Well, it has reinforced my impression that he is serious. I find that he is an interesting person to talk to, and I find it hard to imagine that he has indeed created a scam.

Essén: I get the same impression. It seems very unlikely that it is a pure fraud.
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BeAChooser said:
I've been following this issue for some time.

And based on what I've seen and read, here's my prediction.

Andrea Rossi and his colleagues will be VERY wealthy and VERY famous people VERY soon.
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How soon is "VERY soon?" Under what conditions would you admit your prediction is wrong?
 
BeAChooser said:
"proper methods"? But DD, his goals are not to further science. Were I in his shoes and the patent office wouldn't issue a patent simply because of the phrase "cold fusion", I'd be doing the same thing. Look, but don't touch.
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For his public demonstration, he measured air humidity instead of steam dryness. So since he didn't measure that the steam is dry, this alone is enough to bring the supposed output of 10 kW down to the level of supposed input of 600 W. Doing proper calorimetry shouldn't hurt his attempts to protect his trade secrets.
 
Teemu said:
For his public demonstration, he measured air humidity instead of steam dryness. So since he didn't measure that the steam is dry, this alone is enough to bring the supposed output of 10 kW down to the level of supposed input of 600 W. Doing proper calorimetry shouldn't hurt his attempts to protect his trade secrets.
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It does if his trade secret is that the E-Cat doesn't actually work.
 
dsandber said:
As an aside, something that hasn't been discussed here is Rossi's motivations. Apparently he will devote half his earning to cancer research.
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Uh-uh. I'm cautiously sympathetic to the technical and business aspects of this thing. (Not a supporter, Aepervius, just in case you're reading this), but that one had the hairs on the back of my neck standing up. "It's for the chiiiiildren!" is Grifting Procedure 101.
 
I'm very pleased to learn of Rossi's new interest in helping sick children. This will probably do a bit to enhance his reputation, which has not been spotless.

According to an article in the Italian newspaper “Corriere della Sera” (April 6, 1995) Rossi and a Michele Pizzato were arrested on two occasions. As a member of a “gang” and “criminal organisation” he is said to have smuggled two tons of gold into Switzerland in a money laundering operation.

I'm not sure whether he stated in his defence that the gold was intended to be spent curing Swiss children of cancer.

As to Michaele Pizzato, Rossi’s co-accused, I can find three internet references to a person or persons of that name described as Italian, resident in Switzerland, and involved in currency and precious metals transactions.

1. The person already mentioned above.

2. A person of the same name reported in the Corriere del Ticino 10/10/2002 as having been charged with smuggling €380m into Switzerland. This person had been sentenced following a previous similar charge in 1996, just like Pizzato no. 1.

3. A “precious metals trader” of that name whose death was reported in ticinoNews.ch 11 June 2008. Like Pizzato no. 2 this one had previously been associated with the Amro Bank di Chiasso, and had been accused of currency smuggling. A resident of (Swiss-Italian) Ticino, he had recently died of “fulminant malaria”, a disease uncommon in Switzerland, so presumably contracted during a trip to Cameroon, which he often visited while “hunting for gold”.

Is it possible that these are same person? If so, Rossi has been unfortunate in his choice of business partners.

None of these persons (if more than one is involved) is noted by any of my sources as a contributor to the struggle against cancer in children.
 
BeAChooser said:
"proper methods"? But DD, his goals are not to further science. Were I in his shoes and the patent office wouldn't issue a patent simply because of the phrase "cold fusion", I'd be doing the same thing. Look, but don't touch.
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Hi BAC!

The proper methods as discussed earlier in the thread would not involve any opening of the device, just adequate electrical metering and calorimetry.

Nothing would be revealed about the workings of the device, just the power going in, then a still water bath or similar method.
 
Craig B said:
I'm very pleased to learn of Rossi's new interest in helping sick children. This will probably do a bit to enhance his reputation, which has not been spotless.
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Yes, it's very nice of him. It's also completely irrelevant. Giving to sick children won't help his machine work any more than spending it on hookers and blow would make it explode.
 
Excasa

It sure won't make the machine work, but (who knows?) it might attract an investor or two, particularly an investor of the "greater fool" variety!
 
BeAChooser said:
I've been following this issue for some time.

And based on what I've seen and read, here's my prediction.

Andrea Rossi and his colleagues will be VERY wealthy and VERY famous people VERY soon.

:D
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Seems like a hedged bet, considering that there are many ways to become famous and at least temporarily rich. Who can forget Bernie Madoff? Or with luck perhaps Mr. Rossi can become eponymous like Ponzi.
 
unclep2k said:
Well in all honesty he just clarified his post and said they don't have it yet but will soon
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That's what they all say. 'Just one more adjustment' or ''Just one more test'.
'Jst a bit more investment to get over this last little technicality'.

'I know I told you it would be next week but it will take just a little bit longer'
Yawn...
 
Dancing David said:
What is the potential margin of error in the method they used?

Hmmmmmm, try to answer that?

1%, 10%, 100%, 1000%

Answer the question, you say that the possible error could not matter, so what level of error is there with the method they used?

Was it a still water bath?
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You should have been a quiz master!
You need to realize there are people out there as smart and smarter than either you or I.
Do you really think the prestigious University of Bologna and others of intellectual status would be behind Rossi if there was a problem with his methods? Instead of coming on here and knocking heads with us maybe you should go over to the U of B and show them how to do things properly.
GIve us a break and get with the program!
 
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