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Ed Clintonemails.com: Who is Eric Hoteham Part 3

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The fact that Hillary Clinton was and is a liar was not a convincing reason not to vote for her?

That is absurd.

Voting for DJT was absurd on many levels, but the actual fact that nothing coming out of his mouth is credible, including stuff much more serious than some goddamned emails, should be a pretty obvious one to a non-idiot.
 
The fact that Hillary Clinton was and is a liar was not a convincing reason not to vote for her?

That is absurd.

No, IFF Hillary Clinton was and is a liar, it can be a convincing reason not to vote for her. But that was not the claim:
"Anyone who voted for DJT because they think Hillary Clinton is liar is certainly an idiot..."
1. Hillary Clinton was and is a liar
2. That is a convincing reason not to vote for her.
Therefore it is also a good reason for voting for DJT.

From 1. and 2. it doesn't follow that it is a valid reason to vote for DJT and anyone who think that it is a valid reason, is an idiot.
 
Voting for DJT was absurd on many levels, but the actual fact that nothing coming out of his mouth is credible, including stuff much more serious than some goddamned emails, should be a pretty obvious one to a non-idiot.

While we CERTAINLY appreciate a good old fashioned trump derangement syndrome, THIS thread is about Hillary Clinton, and was started long before Donald Trump declared for President.

As such, there were lots of chances to avoid Trump, virtually all of them involving getting a better candidate than Hillary Clinton, whose abject lies about her email scandal destroyed her credibility.

Don't pretend I didn't warn you.
 
While we CERTAINLY appreciate a good old fashioned trump derangement syndrome, THIS thread is about Hillary Clinton, and was started long before Donald Trump declared for President.

As such, there were lots of chances to avoid Trump, virtually all of them involving getting a better candidate than Hillary Clinton, whose abject lies about her email scandal destroyed her credibility.

Don't pretend I didn't warn you.

No, you only imagine that Hillary must have lied to cover up corruption that you only imagine she must have been engaging in. Republicans had 20-some primary candidates to choose from, and you chose the most obvious liar and the only one who was a known conman. Sorry, you guys own this turd and his lies and his actual corruption, and don't pretend I didn't warn you.
 
There were two cars on sale, one with a proven track record but an ugly color and the other a golf cart with a cool flashing neon sign and chrome.
So the complain here is that the Clinton campaign didn't pick a nicer color, so people had to vote for Trump?
 
No, you only imagine that Hillary must have lied to cover up corruption that you only imagine she must have been engaging in. Republicans had 20-some primary candidates to choose from, and you chose the most obvious liar and the only one who was a known conman. Sorry, you guys own this turd and his lies and his actual corruption, and don't pretend I didn't warn you.

One does not have to imagine anything, friend, everything she said at the UN speech was proven to be a lie, and then she came out and refused to come clean, just like the sneaky little **** she is.

And then the DNC cleared the field for what you were warned was a terrible candidate, and then she ran a terrible campaign, with her idiotic email strategy exposing her flaws.

Biden would have won, Bernie would have won.

And now the bitter old liar is still making excuses.

Hillary and her fans are responsible for losing to Trump.

So thanks
 
well that seems a bit vague, but I can understand why people would want to throw the book at them, right after they finish with Hillary, huh?

Certain people would like to throw the book at them, but it won't happen, because those certain people are not prosecutors. Prosecutors are going to look at what they did, compare it to what other people have been prosecuted for, and conclude that, whatever the letter of the law might be, they don't have a case. In the United States, we simply don't prosecute people for this, and if there was a prosecution, even if a conviction was secured, it would be thrown out on appeal, because it would be obvious that their actions do not rise to the level of normal prosecutable offenses, and it was the political nature of their actions that resulted in prosecution.

Let's simplify that: I don't care what you think you read in the lawbooks, no one ever goes to jail for what these people did. They'll be fired.

Now, once that part is understood, we get around to comparing what they did to what Hillary did, and we see that what they did was worse.

I'll let you connect the dots.



I'll offer up another related anecdote that I posted many months ago, right about the time Comey made his recommendation of non-prosecution last summer. I was listening to Hugh Hewitt, and one of the committee chairmen involved in the innumerable investigations was arguing for indictment. He was talking about the seriousness of her actions in mishandling classified data. To illustrate the point, he talked about what happened with some of the congressional staff who had mishandled classified data. He described, with great emphasis in his voice, that these people had ALMOST GOT FIRED!

There it was, right there. They almost got fired, and this, he said, illustrates why Hillary Clinton should be indicted.

Neither he nor the host seemed to recognize the irony of what he was saying.
 
@TBD,

You are declaring the American voters incapable of making anything but the simplest decisions on their own. So why not dispense with elections all together if the choice needs to be more obvious than between Clinton and Trump before we can expect people to make an informed decision?
 
@TBD,

You are declaring the American voters incapable of making anything but the simplest decisions on their own. So why not dispense with elections all together if the choice needs to be more obvious than between Clinton and Trump before we can expect people to make an informed decision?

cool strawman.
 
Tell me how I'm wrong, TBD, if you say that it was impossible for voters to tell who was more suitable in 2016?
 
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Tell me how I'm wrong, TBD, if you say that it was impossible for voters to tell who was more suitable in 2016?

Note: a significant majority voted right, so you are wrong anyways.

what an odd comment. One would expect that you would have directed this strawmen to the folks who came here to disrupt this thread about Clinton's emails with their TDS.

Curious definitions of "significant" "majority" "you" "are" "wrong" and "anyways," tho.
 
what an odd comment. One would expect that you would have directed this strawmen to the folks who came here to disrupt this thread about Clinton's emails with their TDS.

Curious definitions of "significant" "majority" "you" "are" "wrong" and "anyways," tho.

so no answer because you have none?

Hint: it's not a strawman, it's a rephrasing of your stated position. The call for no elections was a reductio ad absurdum of it, btw.
 
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so no answer because you have none?

Hint: it's not a strawman, it's a rephrasing of your stated position. The call for no elections was a reductio ad absurdum, btw.

It is not a strawman, folks, it is a "rephrasing" of my "stated position."

:D

Person 1 makes claim Y.

Person 2 restates person 1’s claim (in a distorted way).

Person 2 attacks the distorted version of the claim.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/169/Strawman-Fallacy

protip: just quote my exact statement, because right now....

(As most of you already noted, I neither used the word "incapable" or "impossible," both of which are extreme claims, of course. The good news is we are learning about critical thinking)
 
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....And then the DNC cleared the field for what you were warned was a terrible candidate, and then she ran a terrible campaign, with her idiotic email strategy exposing her flaws.

Biden would have won, Bernie would have won.

And now the bitter old liar is still making excuses.

Hillary and her fans are responsible for losing to Trump.

So thanks

It is Trump who ran one of the very worst Presidential campaign in modern history. He was behind in virtually all the polls up to the day before the election and was beaten by Hilary in all three debates.


The on-going criminal investigation into Trump and his campaign may show collusion with Russians to interfere with the election causing him to win by illegal activity.

May I remind you that the hacking of DNC were criminal events and that Trump publicly asked the Russians to hack Hilary emails during his campaign.
 
People are schizophrenic about Clinton: they didn't want to have to vote for her and now they are cross that she didn't win.
At no point are the voters at fault it seems: they are the helpless victims of bad PR, Fake News etc. etc. - how dare we ask them to make up their own mind!
As dejudge mentioned, she wiped the floor with Trump in all debates, a feat that in any previous election would have guaranteed her win.
 
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