Climategate Meets the Law - We want Gore

[Hallo Alfie]

But again...he is not the originator of these ideas. So why call him before Congress, and why (if it is silly) post pictures of him in a cell, and for that matter even mention him "being able to walk to his cell". Very strong terms to use if you think the idea is "silly".

So is it okay to call Ben Stein before Congress to defend the ideas of Creationism, given that his movie was used to scare people into believing that the theory of evolution caused the holocaust?

So you're saying that Al Gore's movie is alarmist and comparible to the holocast and creationism promoters and defenders?

 

[fullflavormenthol]

So you're saying that Al Gore's movie is alarmist and comparible to the holocast and creationism promoters and defenders?

Um..no, but if you want to simply highlight words and create a narrative than good for you. This is a great way to create fiction.

Of course anyone of substance can tell I am saying that if a moron wants to go after AGW they should go for the scientists in question. Just like when smart, intelligent and honest people want to show how creationism is bunk they should not focus on the spokesperson for a freecreditreport ripoff, and instead go after the tax evader that originated the nonsense.

Of course if you want to really, really, really try to paint my comment as holocaust denial (and yes you were trying) than good for you; but it doesn't work at all.

 

[leftysergeant]

So you're saying that Al Gore's movie is alarmist and comparible to the holocast and creationism promoters and defenders?

Gore uses science. Stein is a religous whackadoodle.

People who say that evolution can be used to justify racism miss the point that the trends in human evolution favor dark skin and round heads and full lips and small rounded noses. "Aryan" people do not, as adults, resemble baby monkeys as much as do blacks or Asians. A black person's gluteals are more developed for upright ambulation. These are progressive trends. Europeans more resemble the dead-end Neanderthalers. Every pure race that ever existed either married out or went extinct. There is, thus, no way that evolution favors Nazi racial theories.

Creationism, however, would suggest that since God decided that there should be several models of Homo sap, we need to leave it that way, with no genetic mixing. (But if that is how God wanted it, why'd He make Barack Obama and Halle Berry so freaking gorgeous?)

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Meh
It just seemed a totally ludicrous thing to say, and still does - and your angry response gives me a good insight into who and what you are and that I should avoid attempting intelligent debate with you.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Meh
It just seemed a totally ludicrous thing to say, and still does - and your angry response gives me a good insight into who and what you are and that I should avoid attempting intelligent debate with you.

Translation: My pathetic attempt to poison the well has been exposed, and as a result I will now try to claim the higher ground and step away from my debunked comment.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Translation: My pathetic attempt to poison the well has been exposed, and as a result I will now try to claim the higher ground and step away from my debunked comment.

Interesting take.
Given you are the one who Godwined himself.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Interesting take.
Given you are the one who Godwined himself.

Because I compared one movie by an activist to another movie by an activist, and it just so happened that in one movie that the activist literally tied the theory of evolution to the holocaust...yes that was a Godwin.

But of course it was you who actually tried to tie things into holocaust denial (and you know you did). Pathetic, and claiming a Godwin now is merely your attempt to distance yourself from the stink of fail. I know it hurts to be pwned, but sometimes the best thing to do is walk away. Unless you want to continue this pathetic derail that obscures the issue at hand.

If Al Gore can be called before Congress to attest to the claims of AGW than Ben Stein can be called to attest for his claims that Darwin is responsible for the holocaust...and both would be a waste of time. I know that hurts, but Al Gore isn't the originator of AGW no more than Ben Stein is the originator of Creationism or the theory that Darwin caused the holocaust.

The analogy is sour apples you don't like, but don't try to claim a Godwin when you tried to twist my brilliant analogy into holocaust denial (and you know you tried).

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Where's my laughing dog?

Now, can you please tell me why Al Gore was brought before your congress?

 

[varwoche]

So you're saying that Al Gore's movie is alarmist and comparible to the holocast and creationism promoters and defenders?

More even that the dishonesty, what's impressive is the level of infantility it takes to twist fullflavormenthol's words this way.

 

[GreNME]

Now, can you please tell me why Al Gore was brought before your congress?

Oh, that's easy: number one on my list. When there's a boogeyman, it's much easier to discredit an idea or thought. You see, discredit the (boogey)man and you discredit the idea or thought-- at least to an uninformed or under-informed public. Very popular well-poisoning technique, and Inhofe isn't even pretending otherwise at this point.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Oh, that's easy: number one on my list. When there's a boogeyman, it's much easier to discredit an idea or thought. You see, discredit the (boogey)man and you discredit the idea or thought-- at least to an uninformed or under-informed public. Very popular well-poisoning technique, and Inhofe isn't even pretending otherwise at this point.

I see, because he was called before congress I am placing him as the single person to be against.
Wow!

Look I'm not sure (and I'm being serious here now btw), but didn't he speak as a spokesperson, at congress previously, on the dangers of AGW and ask for government assistance in combatting same? Including putting in legislation for tax amendments and similar?

If so, it seems to me he has set himself up as the spokesperson to answer some questions. So one could argue 'fair enough' imo.

Frankly I'm not at all that interested in him and it was you guys who brought him up, not me.

 

[GreNME]

I see, because he was called before congress I am placing him as the single person to be against.
Wow!

Look I'm not sure (and I'm being serious here now btw), but didn't he speak as a spokesperson, at congress previously, on the dangers of AGW and ask for government assistance in combatting same? Including putting in legislation for tax amendments and similar?

If so, it seems to me he has set himself up as the spokesperson to answer some questions. So one could argue 'fair enough' imo.

Frankly I'm not at all that interested in him and it was you guys who brought him up, not me.

I didn't realize your name was Inhofe.

It's like you're actually trying to point out you don't actually read what's actually being said and just picking what you would rather respond to regardless. Chill the heck out, man.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I didn't realize your name was Inhofe.

It's like you're actually trying to point out you don't actually read what's actually being said and just picking what you would rather respond to regardless.

Fair enough, on review I see that you weren't directing the comments directly at me. Sorry - I get lined up that often I sometimes box shadows.

But what of the other observation regarding his original appearance before congress? Seems to me he's made a rod for his own back to some extent and now people call "foul".

 

[Megalodon]

I didn't realize your name was Inhofe.

It's like you're actually trying to point out you don't actually read what's actually being said and just picking what you would rather respond to regardless. Chill the heck out, man.

I eventually put Alfie on ignore when it became apparent that he not only refused to learn anything about climatology, he refused to learn his own language.

I addressed enough "So you mean [insert inane comment that has no relation to what was written in the post quoted (or any other)]" posts from him...

 

[mhaze]

.....Frankly I'm not at all that interested in him and it was you guys who brought him up, not me.

This is because they are trying to divert attention from Gore, the sujbect of the current inquiry. It's pretty common for Gorians to be reluctant to come out of the closet. Sort of a "don't ask don't tell" attitude.

Fair enough, on review I see that you weren't directing the comments directly at me. Sorry - I get lined up that often I sometimes box shadows.

But what of the other observation regarding his original appearance before congress? Seems to me he's made a rod for his own back to some extent and now people call "foul".

Indeed.

Has Ben Stein been advocating before Congress and publicly, internationally, for social changes that will cost trillions?

Has Ben Stein spent $300M on a public propaganda campaign, coordinated with international and national efforts to pass legislation to increase tax burdens?

Does Ben Stein have a preferred type of light bulb for everybody to use that is the "righteous bulb?"

One would think not.

Therefore, we can determine that Gore should be brought in. He's just a "person of interest", it's nothing to worry about. Right now. It's just a preliminary investigation, of course.

 

[leftysergeant]

Mhaze, you might want to wait until somebody has some evidence that there is any fraud involved in AGW research. The only crime for which there is any evidence is that relatred to criminal hacking. I have seen nothing to indicate that any of the results of AGW research are at all suspect. Thatr a few of the researchers are annoyed that some nobody wants everything assembled for him is not news.

And who the hell is this "dead guy" that I have named as being in need of interrogation? What dirtbag croaked since I first heard of him? Is Warwick Hughes no longer above room temp? Good riddance if he has passed. Same if it was the hacker who is playing researcher.

 

[daenku32]

So you're saying that Al Gore's movie is alarmist and comparible to the holocast and creationism promoters and defenders?

Are you saying Al Gore's movie is WORSE than comparisons to holocaust in Stein's movie? After all, it's not like Ben Stein has been called in front of Congress for his movie. So why should Gore?

There are bunch of irony here:
1) Inhofe complaining about conflation of science and politics.
2) Complaining about oppression of "skeptics" while the topic is "getting Gore" and inquiring for charges against climate scientists.

 

[mhaze]

Mhaze, you might want to wait until somebody has some evidence that there is any fraud.....

Oh, no no no no no.

That's why we need to investigate.

Look, there's no reason to get all upset. We just want to ask some simple questions.

About floods, hurricanes, droughts, heat waves, pandemics, historical temperatures, insect population explosions, New York City and Florida going under the ocean, and other things that he has talked with great certainty about.
But don't worry - he'll have a fair trial.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Mhaze, you might want to wait until somebody has some evidence that there is any fraud involved in AGW research. The only crime for which there is any evidence is that relatred to criminal hacking. I have seen nothing to indicate that any of the results of AGW research are at all suspect. Thatr a few of the researchers are annoyed that some nobody wants everything assembled for him is not news.

And who the hell is this "dead guy" that I have named as being in need of interrogation? What dirtbag croaked since I first heard of him? Is Warwick Hughes no longer above room temp? Good riddance if he has passed. Same if it was the hacker who is playing researcher.

How nice.
Kinda echoes a (climategate) email I read once.

Are you saying Al Gore's movie is WORSE than comparisons to holocaust in Stein's movie? After all, it's not like Ben Stein has been called in front of Congress for his movie. So why should Gore?

There are bunch of irony here:
1) Inhofe complaining about conflation of science and politics.
2) Complaining about oppression of "skeptics" while the topic is "getting Gore" and inquiring for charges against climate scientists.

OK, OK. I concede:
I said a silly inflammatory thing to a totally ludicrous, silly, inane ridiculous, nonsensical, stupid and inflammatory thing.

Sorry.

 

[leftysergeant]

Oh, no no no no no.

That's why we need to investigate.

Look, there's no reason to get all upset. We just want to ask some simple questions.

now you are showing the same mentality as a twoofer. There is nothing to investigate in a legal sense, other than who was the low life who hacked the e-mails. That is the only crime of which there is the slightest evidence. There is a reason why crap that someone obtains in this way is not admissible in court and should never be seriously considered in a forum like this.
It ain't evidence.

Do you grasp this concept?