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Climategate Meets the Law - We want Gore

Have the sea levels really been rising, because glaciers have been melting? I hear and even see depictions of what our coastal cities may look like once inundulated. But ARE the waters rising now?
 
Warwick Hughes belongs in jail along with Andrew Breitbart.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own reality. That's what the radical right is doing now with hackers and wire tappers and slimebags who film people in secret and edit the hell out of the footage.

Poe be damned, these people are using Hitlerian tactics, and have about as much regard for the future of humanity.
 
Um, I don't know who these guys are exactly, but don't you think the "Hitlerian tactics" would actually be to jail those with opposing views. Silence the dissenters.

When do we have the AGW equivalent of Nacht der langen Messer?
 
A.A.Alfie said:
Um, I don't know who these guys are exactly, but don't you think the "Hitlerian tactics" would actually be to jail those with opposing views. Silence the dissenters.
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Creating an illusion that someone else has committed a crime when they have not is a prisonable felony. Breitbart and Hughes are not dissenters. They are liars and slanderers and enemies of civilization.

Lok, because of Hughes and dirtbags like him, you now see angry morons screaming to have scientific reseaerch defunded. He isn't a scientist, and his actions are not dissent.
 
leftysergeant said:
Creating an illusion that someone else has committed a crime when they have not is a prisonable felony. Breitbart and Hughes are not dissenters. They are liars and slanderers and enemies of civilization.

Lok, because of Hughes and dirtbags like him, you now see angry morons screaming to have scientific reseaerch defunded. He isn't a scientist, and his actions are not dissent.
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Again, I don't know these guys, but they aren't the only ones. Nor did they start the 'campaign against science', that was initiated elsewhere and they are just a part of the ongoing debate. From the sounds of it they are on the right wing fringe - and as per the left wing fringe, I personally I have no time for them.
But by locking them up you are denying them the freedom of speech and that should probably be the subject of a completely different thread. And that is Hitlerian.
And once you start with them, where do you stop?
 
A.A.Alfie said:
But by locking them up you are denying them the freedom of speech and that should probably be the subject of a completely different thread. And that is Hitlerian.
And once you start with them, where do you stop?
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Limit it to hackers and wire tappers and inciters of violence.

Bye-bye Breitbart, Hughes and the pimp, the ho and the wannabe spy.
 
And next will be who, the truthers I suppose. Then creationists, pet owners, abortionists and so on. Where does it stop, and why would it stop?
You cry nazi tactics yet wish to treat it with more of the same.

I'm not defending them mind you, I am genuinely interested in where this might take us. But as I say, probably a topic for a new thread.
 
A.A.Alfie said:
And next will be who, the truthers I suppose. Then creationists, pet owners, abortionists and so on. Where does it stop, and why would it stop?
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With people who attempt to lie to bring legal sanctions against others and incite violence.

That would probably grab a few twoofers like AJ and Bollyn and Hufschmid.
 
Lawyers, politicians, and virtually every human being in existence lies. Many tell tales for advantage - not just to get to court. Should we go at them too?

What of Mandela - he incited violence and uprising. What would you have done with him? Or Malcolm X, Ghandi, your own coutries 'fathers'?
Others felt they told lies, some used the law to their own purposes too.
What would you have done with them?

There are scanctions for perjury and mischievous litigation already so if they were succesful in gettin others to court, would not that be a good thing?

I am reminded of Voltaire when he said to Rousseau:

"I do not agree with a word you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it".
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In a 'free' country I think that this is applicable here too, is it not?


eta. It is part of the reason why I love JREF too. Differences of opinion are good and robust debate is wonderful - even the nutjobs add some spice and colour. It takes a lot to make up a vibrant community and we need every one.
 
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BenBurch said:
I say we just let Mossad deal with them as it sees fit.
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I think it would be far better if we loaded them onto a rocket and sent them to Venus. After all, considering how much CO2 is in that planet's atmosphere, it should be a paradise compared to Earth. In fact, they would likely want to stay there permanently, which means that we only have to prepare said spaceship for a one-way trip ...:D:D:D
 
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A.A.Alfie said:
Lawyers, politicians, and virtually every human being in existence lies. Many tell tales for advantage - not just to get to court. Should we go at them too?
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Freedom of speech does not extend to shouting FIRE in a crowded theater. Creeps like the hacker, Breitbart and the pimp and sleaze do not intend to take anyone to court, they know they would wind up in jail themselves. But they do want to stir up public passions in support of political movements which can only work to harm other people's freedom.

They lie to suppress dissent

What of Mandela - he incited violence and uprising. What would you have done with him? Or Malcolm X, Ghandi, your own coutries 'fathers'?
Others felt they told lies, some used the law to their own purposes too.
What would you have done with them?
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Given that the end was to overthrow tyranical governments, it is praiseworthy. The differejnce is that the hacker and the Breitbart sludge are tools of tyranny.

There are scanctions for perjury and mischievous litigation already so if they were succesful in gettin others to court, would not that be a good thing?
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No, because the public memory has already been poisoned, and, just like twoofers, AGW deniers and Teabagger lunatics prefer their lies over reality, may even try again to rouse passions on behalf of their "oppressed" fellow nutjobs when the courts do rightfully slap them down.

They have too much in common with the idiot who went kamikaze on the IRS.
 
A.A.Alfie said:
Lawyers, politicians, and virtually every human being in existence lies. Many tell tales for advantage - not just to get to court. Should we go at them too?....
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Why, no, of course not. But this climate thing is so divisive, and we have an opportunity here to put it behind us by locating, agreeing on, and bringing up on charges well, one of the usual suspects.

And you gotta admit whose face comes to mind....so can't we reach agreement on this? Just think of the entertainment value as he tries to stammer his way through real science questions. And look - it'd be a veritable cathartic healing process for the country. So many good things would come of...

 
mhaze said:
Why, no, of course not. But this climate thing is so divisive, and we have an opportunity here to put it behind us by locating, agreeing on, and bringing up on charges well, one of the usual suspects.
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I agree, it would be awesome to see Inhofe answer questions under oath.

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