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So you both agree that warming is occurring?

I don't really care to be honest, as I said a number of times. I am only interested in the dynamics of the debate as an example of a Foucaultian power-knowledge continuum, not the content of the debate. I have to have a very superficial understanding of the content in order to fully understand it as a dialectical ecosystem.

Consider a yo-yo. Does one really care whether the yo-yo is in an up motion or down motion, once one understands it is a yo-yo?
 
ClimateGate Whitewash

ClimateGate Whitewash (S. Fred Singer, Ph.D. Professor Emeritus of Environmental Science, University of Virginia, First Director, National Weather Satellite Center, Former Deputy Assistant Administrator, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency)

There is now a desperate effort afoot by assorted climate alarmists to explain away the revelations of the incriminating e-mails leaked last year from the University of East Anglia (UEA). A concerted whitewash campaign is in full swing to save the IPCC and its questionable conclusion that the warming of the last thirty years is anthropogenic. But ongoing investigations so far have avoided the real issue, namely whether the reported warming is genuine or a manufactured result by scientists in England and the United States who manipulated temperature data. [...]

The UEA's "internal" investigation has largely absolved Dr. Philip Jones, the head of its Climate Research Unit (CRU) and author of most of the e-mails, of any misdeeds. (The UEA has also commissioned an "independent" investigation by Sir Robert Muir-Russell, due in August.) Pennsylvania State University (PSU) has merely slapped the wrists of Dr. Michael Mann for various ethical offenses but sees nothing wrong with the science. The United Nations, at the urging of the Royal Society and U.S. National Academy of Sciences, has launched a supposedly independent investigation of IPCC procedures to be conducted by the InterAcademyCouncil (IAC), a creature of the science academies. It is likely to backfire and lower further the public's opinion of the academies -- and indeed of science generally.

The latest report, by the British House of Commons' Science and Technology Committee, received testimony from many sources, conducted hearings, and largely absolved Jones. How can we tell that it's a whitewash? Here are some telltale signs:

- It refers to the e-mails as "stolen."

- It did not take direct testimony from scientifically competent skeptics,

- Yet it concludes that there is nothing wrong with the basic science and that warming is human-caused -- essentially endorsing the IPCC.


These investigations have focused mainly on procedural issues and scientific ethics, including the withholding of data, preventing skeptical scientists from publishing their results, pressuring editors of scientific journals (often with their ready connivance), and generally misusing the peer review process. None of the investigations have gone into any detail on how the data might have been manipulated -- nor were any of the panels competent enough to do so. But this is really the most important task for any inquiry, since it deals directly with the central issue: Is there an appreciable human influence on climate change in the past decades?

Instead, much of the attention of newspapers, and of the public, has focused on secondary issues involving climate impacts, not causes: the melting of Himalayan glaciers, the possible inundation of the Netherlands, deforestation of the Amazon, crop failures in Africa, etc. While these issues are important and demonstrate the sloppiness of the IPCC process, they cannot decide the cause of warming: natural or anthropogenic.

So what do the e-mails really reveal? We know that Jones and his gang largely succeeded in "hiding the decline" of temperature by using what he termed "Mike [Mann]'s trick." Most assume that this refers to CRU tree-ring data after 1960, which do show a decline in temperature. However, I believe that it refers to Michael Mann's "trick" in hiding the fact that his multi-proxy data did not show the expected warming after 1979. So he abruptly cut off his analysis in 1979 and simply inserted the thermometer data supplied by Jones, which do claim a strong temperature increase. Hence the "hockey-stick" graph in his Nature (1998) paper suggesting a sudden major warming period since the late '70s.

Only a thorough investigation will be able to document that there was really no strong warming after 1979, that the instrumented record is based on data manipulation involving the selection of certain weather stations (and the omission of others that showed no warming), plus applying insufficient corrections for local heating...
:jaw-dropp
 
I don't really care to be honest, as I said a number of times. I am only interested in the dynamics of the debate as an example of a Foucaultian power-knowledge continuum, not the content of the debate. I have to have a very superficial understanding of the content in order to fully understand it as a dialectical ecosystem.

Consider a yo-yo. Does one really care whether the yo-yo is in an up motion or down motion, once one understands it is a yo-yo?

Don't care to be honest? Not even worth listening to, then. On Ignore for you.
 
This OP is yet another Denialist lie - belongs in that other thread, and I have asked for it to be moved there.
AKA Ben moves quickly to moderate and censor all information he cannot control, incase someone actually reads it and comes to a conclusion he does not approve.
 
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Seems like a bit of a palaver to explain away a meaningless and insignificant amount of warming. lol
 
Don't care to be honest? Not even worth listening to, then. On Ignore for you.

Gatekeepers can't put people on ignore, I am sorry. At least that is the current orthodoxy in the field of Foucaultian power-knowledge continuums (FP-KC systemics to be short).

Otherwise what sort of a gatekeeper are you?
 
This....

- It did not take direct testimony from scientifically competent skeptics,
- Yet it concludes that there is nothing wrong with the basic science and that warming is human-caused -- essentially endorsing the IPCC.

...contradicts this...
These investigations have focused mainly on procedural issues and scientific ethics, including the withholding of data, preventing skeptical scientists from publishing their results, pressuring editors of scientific journals (often with their ready connivance), and generally misusing the peer review process. None of the investigations have gone into any detail on how the data might have been manipulated -- nor were any of the panels competent enough to do so. But this is really the most important task for any inquiry, since it deals directly with the central issue: Is there an appreciable human influence on climate change in the past decades?

Does the writer even understand his own argument?
 
Gatekeepers can't put people on ignore, I am sorry.
He does that when he cannot rationally debate anyone. After that wears off he will resort to just ad hominem attacks repetitively, give him time he has to get this post moderated immediately. Someone may read the paper I posted!
 
need to separate the skeptics from the others, right BenBurch. need to round'em all up in to camps... for internment.
 
need to separate the skeptics from the others, right BenBurch. need to round'em all up in to camps... for internment.

No, to the slaughterhouse for meat.

ETA: What a stupid comment you made just then. I will not tolerate somebody who says that it does not matter if he is honest or not. That's not debate, that is trolling.
 
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The only ones capable of committing crimes it seems is the fraud artists Dr. Jones and Mr. Mann.
 
Don't give him any ideas! ;)

well that is the impression that i have gotten from everything BenBurch says from my time reading his posts through the months.

if your not behind him then you are an enemy. i didn't know that this was a war?
 
Gatekeepers can't put people on ignore, I am sorry. At least that is the current orthodoxy in the field of Foucaultian power-knowledge continuums (FP-KC systemics to be short).

Otherwise what sort of a gatekeeper are you?

:eye-poppi About the only place I see the word "gatekeeper" here is in the conspiracy forums. No, he's just ignoring you because there is no use talking to you.
 
:eye-poppi About the only place I see the word "gatekeeper" here is in the conspiracy forums. No, he's just ignoring you because there is no use talking to you.

Really? Now I see the word "gatekeeper" scattered through all the AGW threads, mostly in connection with long screeds about networking protocols long consigned to the garbage
 
Climate Change and Its Causes, A Discussion About Some Key Issues (PDF)
(La Chimica e l'Industria, Volume 1, pp. 70-75, 2010)
- Nicola Scafetta, Ph.D. Climate Research Scientist, Duke University

Anyone who thinks GHG theory is "robust" needs to look at page 7,

Hysteria averted!

Note: This is a peer-reviewed paper not discussed in any other thread here.

So, because all research on the Sun (astronomy, you know) cannot be conducted in lab experiments, that makes all solar research invalid as well. Thus, the Sun can have no contribution at all to Earth's climate. For that matter, all astronomy (not just solar) is bogus.

Wow, this "making-it-up-as-you-go-along" science PopTech-style sure is fun. Anyone can play! :)
 
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Btw folks, all this back-and-forth about conspiracies & politics should really be in another subforum. Just sayin'...
 

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