Clarification of Terms
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I'll admit to be overly jumpy about this particular bit of terminology, but I'm weary of the basic misunderstanding in general society of the nature of evolution. And the word "purpose" has always been a major component of that misunderstanding, whether the speaker means designer's intent or not.jan said:
There is a major biological imperative toward reproduction. We, and all other life, are geared toward that. That's just what we do. That's why we're here. Why, in the sense that we're the descendents of ancestors that had that goal, and were successful and accomplishing it, and passed on that imperative to us. I have no problem calling that a "purpose," as long as the rest of what I just said is well understood.
Or perhaps the Individual who started the thread shouldn’t quote me, or direct his comments to me personally in the future?
I don’t suppose that would be a better solution???
The problem is with Individuals who can’t make a logical argument for their absurd and utterly inconsistent beliefs and instead are reduced to ad hominem attacks and every other form of logical fallacy, deceit, and obfuscation.
These individuals know their argument cannot be made on its own merits so instead they are forced to appeal to the moderators for salvation.
Funny how it seems that it is always the Atheists who must appeal to the forum-gods for divine intervention.
Upchurch
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I thought Ed was. huh.Pahansiri said:
Maybe we could get a discussion going between Edites and Halians?
Upchurch said:
True, But our friend Franko will just Hijack it..
I have to say it took me a few minutes to stop laughing after reading Franko say
I think Webster just changed it’s definition of the phrase “ The pot calling the kettle black” and definition of hypocrisy to a picture of Franko and his statement
NOT in terms of the Laws of Physics they aren’t.
You see, according to the dogma of Materialism EVERYTHING (including YOU and the MOON) are made of “matter” (or Energy is you prefer) and nothing else. The behavior of ALL “matter” (or Energy) can be described completely and solely in terms of the Laws of Physics.
You’d have to explain what you mean?
Are you implying that you are personally responsible for the behavior of certain subatomic particles? If this is true, then why haven’t you claimed Randi’s million dollar prize by demonstrating your Mind’s command over the “matter” and the laws of physics?
As a Materialist I have no doubt that it is well beyond your ability to grasp or comprehend.
It would be analogous to attempting to explain genetic mutations role in evolution to a young earth creationist.
To assert that the Laws of Physics are not omnipotent is analogous to claiming that the Laws of Physics do not control the behavior of all “matter” and energy. Aside from the fact that this is a direct contradiction of the Materialists paradigm (orthodoxy), I would say that there is absolutely no evidence to indicate that ANYTHING exists in this universe which is not governed completely by TLOP.
If I am incorrect, perhaps you could give me an example of this “thing” you refer to which does not fall under the omnicontrolling, omnipresent Laws of Physics?
I find this statement rather contradictory.
Ohhh, but someone like us already does …
whitefork
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"Meaning" seems to arise from significance after being brought within the scope of language. It appears to require a social order to exist.
Animals behave as if they recognize signs, but we don't know that they use meaning, except perhaps in the case of Koko the gorilla.
To ask what the meaning of a thing is, is to ask what it signifies. If it does not signify, then it has no meaning.
How's that for a start?
Animals behave as if they recognize signs, but we don't know that they use meaning, except perhaps in the case of Koko the gorilla.
To ask what the meaning of a thing is, is to ask what it signifies. If it does not signify, then it has no meaning.
How's that for a start?
To my "buddy" P.P.P.
You are so full of it I'm surprized you don't explode. Your lack of understanding regarding F's thinking is laughable.
Your turn. Please PROVE that you exist and are not a figment of my imagination. Or that I exist other than being a figment of yours. Most likely you won't understand this either though.
You are so full of it I'm surprized you don't explode. Your lack of understanding regarding F's thinking is laughable.
Your turn. Please PROVE that you exist and are not a figment of my imagination. Or that I exist other than being a figment of yours. Most likely you won't understand this either though.
Silly Atheist – didn’t anyone ever tell you that an observer was completely unnecessary for the existence of "matter"?
If patterns in the energy can exist without anything capable of perceiving that pattern, then why would you believe that social order (i.e. collective consciousness (i.e. the “observer”)) is necessary for the existence of “meaning” or language (a pattern existing in energy)?
Re: To my "buddy" P.P.P.
My understanding of you/Franko is clear I have dismantled your beliefs at every turn. I demonstrated your mistakes, flaws, fibs and that you never answer a question. It is not that I don’t think you are not at least a little bit smart I believe it is clear you see some feeling of power in your life.
I really can not expect you to answer a question regarding your statements of beliefs as you simply can’t and I think everyone here understands that.
As to my turn to prove, you are so silly. I have proven everything I say, you have proven nothing silly boy.
Be well silly boy
LOL such a silly boy. I do think it is funny you posted using both your handles one right after the other... you are too easy.hammegk said:
My understanding of you/Franko is clear I have dismantled your beliefs at every turn. I demonstrated your mistakes, flaws, fibs and that you never answer a question. It is not that I don’t think you are not at least a little bit smart I believe it is clear you see some feeling of power in your life.
I really can not expect you to answer a question regarding your statements of beliefs as you simply can’t and I think everyone here understands that.
As to my turn to prove, you are so silly. I have proven everything I say, you have proven nothing silly boy.
Be well silly boy
Hey hamme, He’s a legend in his own mind.
And I thought Buddhist were suppose to shed their egos to achieve enlightenment?
Ohhh, why coming from someone like you, I am honored beyond words.
… And my eternal gratitude for your psychological analysis as well.
Really Pahansiri you are too kind and generous. I certainly hope the other Atheists are as happy you are one of them as I am.
Franko said:
Hey hamme, He’s a legend in his own mind.
And I thought Buddhist were suppose to shed their egos to achieve enlightenment?
Ohhh, why coming from someone like you, I am honored beyond words.
… And my eternal gratitude for your psychological analysis as well.
Really Pahansiri you are too kind and generous. I certainly hope the other Atheists are as happy you are one of them as I am.
As planned my post got the response I knew it would… You are too easy, TLOP does not control you, I do…
By the way there are meds to help with that mutable personality disorder. As I have always said I respect you but feel sadness for your low self image and the need to create a personality to use here to make it seem ( in your mind) that someone agrees with and believes in you.. Sad, perhaps more sad is you talk to “eachother”…lol
Be well and if you ever really seek to have a mature conversation and debate one in which you can explain what you believe and support it and statments you make please do e-mail me..
Be well.
Of course! Once again you have demonstrated what you always knew … I am merely a figment of your imagination – just like everyone and everything you perceive.
Did you mean “multiple” o’great Solipsist?
I had no idea that you imagined I was on medication? What kind of medication do you imagine I am on?
Ohhh great One, you are simply too kind for words! Perhaps you shouldn’t devote so much of your valuable time and energy on a simple figment of your imagination?
Or perhaps you could just imagine my “problems” away since it is your mind that is creating them?
But great One, I don’t have a “mind”. Only You have a mind. If you are reading this post now, then you are just imagining me, and all of the others. Your subconscious creates this reality just as surely as it created this post.
You seem to believe in “me”, but I think that deep down you realize that I don’t really exist. That is exactly why you behave the way that you do.
Very Sad, especially since only one of us exists to actually “talk”.
As soon as you imagine it, I have no choice but to comply.
