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CIT/Air America Debate Challenge

JamesB why do you continue to pretend that David Ray Griffin avoids his critics. I listened to a show with him and George Monbiot where he directly addressed debunkers claims. Admittedly the host wasn't hostile (James Whale I think) but Griffin did indeed go head to head with a prominent critic. Why do you keep saying he never does?

Monbiot is not versed in the details. Griffin avoids anybody who can answer the arcana that the "Truthers" specialize in.
 
Don't strain yourself on those goalposts Pat.
DRG, Griffin, is pure hearsay. All of Griffin's ideas on 9/11 are false. It is hard to get a better record of being wrong. Too bad you can't support Griffin with some evidence.

Don't strain yourself and find some facts.
 
If you actually wonder about this, rather than just mentioning it for argument's sake - it's a good question. More people have tried to work around the intact columns 15-17 than the 16-foot hole. It looks a bit like columns there, if all broken and weird. Get this... this is crazy... the ASCE is wrong. Those are not columns in that spot.
http://frustratingfraud.blogspot.com/2007/07/columns-15-17-still-attached.html That is my explanation to that point.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/chainsawmoth/FrustratingFraud/Columns_15-17_Repaired.jpg

Alternately, maybe they are and somehow they just - didn't get - obliterated, like the others did. I guess that's possible.

And this is why you're a joke Larson. I like your "graphic alteration" to suit your beliefs. It would be like CIT erasing an entire tail section sitting on the lawn from an image.

The columns are there. They are blown out and not in. That is because a plane did not hit the Pentagon and bombs were detonated instead.

CIT has 2 witnesses to the flyover now and soon there will be even more.

Mark Roberts and the rest of Randi's Cult can write all the emails in the world but it doesn't change the fact the security guard heard your "impact" and then ran outside and saw the commercial airliner flying away from the Pentagon.

Sorry Mark he was inside the building until the plane that flew over the Pentagon "hit" (your unsubstantiated conspiracy theory) it and then came out.

:eek:
 
I am sure you would prefe3r the cartoon theory where the plane punches out a hole the exact shape of the plane itself and leaves nothing in tact inside that area. Bugs Bunny physics.

yeah "Bugs Bunny" physics........

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And this is why you're a joke Larson. I like your "graphic alteration" to suit your beliefs. It would be like CIT erasing an entire tail section sitting on the lawn from an image.

The columns are there. They are blown out and not in. That is because a plane did not hit the Pentagon and bombs were detonated instead.

CIT has 2 witnesses to the flyover now and soon there will be even more.

Mark Roberts and the rest of Randi's Cult can write all the emails in the world but it doesn't change the fact the security guard heard your "impact" and then ran outside and saw the commercial airliner flying away from the Pentagon.

Sorry Mark he was inside the building until the plane that flew over the Pentagon "hit" (your unsubstantiated conspiracy theory) it and then came out.

:eek:


Sorry, Dom, NOBODY witnessed a flyover. The reason for this is that there was no flyover.
 
And this is why you're a joke Larson. I like your "graphic alteration" to suit your beliefs. It would be like CIT erasing an entire tail section sitting on the lawn from an image.

The columns are there. They are blown out and not in. That is because a plane did not hit the Pentagon and bombs were detonated instead.

CIT has 2 witnesses to the flyover now and soon there will be even more.

Mark Roberts and the rest of Randi's Cult can write all the emails in the world but it doesn't change the fact the security guard heard your "impact" and then ran outside and saw the commercial airliner flying away from the Pentagon.

Sorry Mark he was inside the building until the plane that flew over the Pentagon "hit" (your unsubstantiated conspiracy theory) it and then came out.

:eek:

OK Dom, you've done it! You have comprehensively proved that 9/11 was an inside job..... Now what?
 
Sorry, Dom, NOBODY witnessed a flyover. The reason for this is that there was no flyover.

Ummm sorry Ron but people did witness a flyover.

How are you already calling these people liars when you haven't even heard their accounts yet? Oh I know just like you made your decision about every other eyewitness CIT has found without ever listening to a single thing they say.

As your idol Sean Hannity would say Ron, You are a great American!

You and your conjoined twin can throw temper tantrums and stomp your feet til your blue in the face but the guard inside the Pentagon heard your "impact" only to run outside and see your plane flying away from the scene.
 
Imagine--those silly rationalists keep insisting that a plane made that, uh, plane-shaped hole! As your evil movement dies, you loons just get loonier.

Planes did make plane shaped holes at the WTC, Ron.

I was commenting about johnnyclueless thinking people are idiots for expecting a plane to make a plane shaped hole at the pentagon as well.

Wouldn't it be great if the "security guard" had a name?

Oh he does.

What?

You don't think CIT is going to release the interviews with the flyover witnesses?
 
CIT has 2 witnesses to the flyover now and soon there will be even more.

It seems to me you've forgotten something. Before you go spouting about more witnesses perhaps you need to verify the previous ones were correct by proving ANY aircraft could fly the NoC route. I have PROVEN it can't and comply with witness statements.

That is NOT OPINION, that is aerodynamic fact. Even if you have 1000 witnesses, if you can't aerodynamically prove it is possible, it didn't happen. No rational person in the world believes you, that even includes a lot of troofers.

You, CIT, and pffft are epic failures and a joke on 9/11 issues!
 
It seems to me you've forgotten something. Before you go spouting about more witnesses perhaps you need to verify the previous ones were correct by proving ANY aircraft could fly the NoC route. I have PROVEN it can't and comply with witness statements.


LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CIT HAS FOUND FLYOVER WITNESSES.

WHO THE **** ARE YOU AGAIN?
 
Ummm sorry Ron but people did witness a flyover.

How are you already calling these people liars when you haven't even heard their accounts yet? Oh I know just like you made your decision about every other eyewitness CIT has found without ever listening to a single thing they say.

As your idol Sean Hannity would say Ron, You are a great American!

You and your conjoined twin can throw temper tantrums and stomp your feet til your blue in the face but the guard inside the Pentagon heard your "impact" only to run outside and see your plane flying away from the scene.


No, nobody saw a flyover. No flyover occurred. Your nameless "guard" could win someone a Pulitzer Prize, but he won't. You see, the frauds at CIT have been caught lying again.
 
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No, nobody saw a flyover. No flyover occurred. Your nameless "guard" could win someone a Pulitzer Prize, but he won't. You see, the frauds at CIT have been caught lying again.


The nameless guard has a name Ron unlike the majority of the "experts" here at jref.

And perhaps you haven't been paying attention but I keep using words in the plural sense. :D

Ever watch any of CIT's interviews, Ron?
 
LMMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CIT HAS FOUND FLYOVER WITNESSES.

WHO THE **** ARE YOU AGAIN?

The sad part in all of this is that you appear to be sincere. You actually believe this absurd load of bollocks, don't you TC?
 
CIT did weren't you listening?

CIT is the absolute laughing-stock of your silly movement. Nobody believes anything they say. When are you going to take your "evidence" to the proper authorities and do something. Up until now, you've done nothing but prove yourselves to be clowns, frauds and completely ridiculous. You do know that the very few who have heard of CIT think you're completely ridiculous, right?

Now...after almost 7 years...what have you got that would advance your silly little fairytale, Dom. When are you going to admit that you were just playing the audience. Because up til' now...you've done nothing but act like little whiny children.
 

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