Christianity is a grotesque blight!

[Myriad]

Is there any Christian belief that's caused as much harm as the belief that masses of the mediocre are holding back some intellectual elite from achieving utopia?

 

[Craig4]

Is there any Christian belief that's caused as much harm as the belief that masses of the mediocre are holding back some intellectual elite from achieving utopia?

The trouble with the intellectual elite is that they tend to think they're better than the plumber until their toilet backs up.

 

[Apathia]

Do you know the difference between a blighter and a blighted?

Christianity and it hawkers (e.g. popes and bishops and priest etc.) are the blight and blighters... Christians are the blighted.

And blights do not affect all... the plague had many victims but many did not get blighted.

Just because some do not get blighted by the blight does not mean the blight and its disseminators (the blighters) are not a blight.

And the blighted are to be pitied... the blighters and blight are to be execrated not loved.

I don't hate snakes.
I've had two cobra encounters at which I was smart enough to keep a friendly distance.

I say, be kind to dumb animals, but don't play with the snakes and swim with the sharks.

It's not actually that easy to separate the blighters and the blighted.
The blighted act on their beliefs. For example they vote the blighters into office again and again.

And they send in their tithes and offerings to ministries that urge the oppression of the current hate target, whipping boy, suffering servant, scapegoat, etc. (Jesus wasn't enough.)

They know not what they do, and they don't want to know.

How would you, practically, "execrate" the Blighters?

 

[P.J. Denyer]

So... Let me get this straight.

You DON'T like Christians?

Is that your point?

Now, now, no jumping to conclusions.

 

[Norman Alexander]

Now, now, no jumping to conclusions.

Don't get all adjectival at me!

 

[Leumas]

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It's not actually that easy to separate the blighters and the blighted.
The blighted act on their beliefs. For example they vote the blighters into office again and again.

And they send in their tithes and offerings to ministries that urge the oppression of the current hate target, whipping boy, suffering servant, scapegoat, etc. (Jesus wasn't enough.)

Precisely!!! I actually call that the Petri Dish Effect.

So a sweet nun who with one hand feeds the people who are poor as a result of the blighters being in power, is, with the other hand "feeding" the blighters and nourishing them.

And even the charity act itself, further enables the blighters too because the charity comes with the FISHING HOOK to "fish for men" who will then be blighted into becoming a substrate in the Petri Dish feeding and enabling the blighters.

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They know not what they do, and they don't want to know.

How would you, practically, "execrate" the Blighters?

By exposing them to the blighted so that they would know despite them not wanting to know.

TALKING and exposing the blighters is NOT "doing more harm" than what the blighters are doing despite what some might want the blighted to believe.

Telling a smoker that smoking is killing him... despite the smoker hating the message and the messenger... is NOT doing more harm to the smoker than the smoking he is doing.

 

[Steve]

Now, now, no jumping to conclusions.

Yeah! Cuz no one else in this thread would ever do such a thing.

"Aha... so you are admitting ....." notwithstanding.

 

[Leumas]

Is there any Christian belief that's caused as much harm as the belief that masses of the mediocre are holding back some intellectual elite from achieving utopia?

Yes... the Catholic Church and Anglican Church and all the other risible offshoots of the grotesque blight called Christianity.

The Catholic popes and bishops and priests, throughout the history of the blight of christianity have been, with very few exceptions, some of the most villainous dastards that humanity has ever produced; wallowing in opulent luxuries wrenched out of the hands of the mediocre imbeciles who believed those DIVINELY APPOINTED ELITES had the right to their hard earned goods... or the mediocre victims they pillaged and plundered.

The Anglican church that was created by a lecherous horny despotic murdering KING is the quintessential embodiment of ELITES who extirpated and tortured and raped and pillaged the mediocre throughout the centuries of its history while upholding KINGS and QUEENS as the DIVINELY appointed ELITES.

The litany of the crimes against the mediocre and hideous villainy of almost every cancerous bifurcation of all the risible variations of the blight called christianity is attested to by the facts of reality of current affairs as well as history.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

... the priest has been hostile to liberty. he is always in alliance with the Despot abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own. it is easier to acquire wealth and power by this combination than by deserving them...

Voltaire said

 

[Apathia]

By exposing them to the blighted so that they would know despite them not wanting to know.

That works, sometimes.
I suppose you'd say the ones who still cling to their oppressors and oppressive beliefs in spite of all information, are blighters themselves.

Keep a friendly distance. Don't go within striking range and provoke them.
Maybe provoke from a distance.

Come to think of it, you have a fairly decent distance here, where you can rant against the blighters and not be in striking range of the religious zealot hostiles.

Hey, Fellow forum members in this and other Leumas threads,
let the guy rant. It's better Leumas has a safe space.
I have an old friend who recently came round to chucking his God beliefs.
Most every conversation, he's still pounding away at his former beliefs (Bahai).

Carry on, Leumas. You're right. Christian beliefs are a grotesque blight.

Not all anti-Christian polemic is to the mark, correct, or actionable.
So go easy when someone suggests a given argument has flaws or won't have any impact for reasons.

 

[Leumas]

Christianity: Jesus the lascivious voyeur

...
In what way is the below an objective fact?

Jesus the lascivious voyeur enjoying his lecherous priests' villainy in their rectories.

1. Your quote is incomplete... I said:
   
   Christianity: Jesus the lascivious voyeur enjoying his lecherous priests' villainy in their rectories.​
2. I did not say it is an objective fact... I said
   
   

   ...what is believed by Christians?
   ...state what Christians believe ...
   Stating facts about Christianity.

However.... here are three objective facts....

1. Lecherous christian bishops and popes and priests have done and are doing all sorts of sordid deeds in their rectories and elsewhere all the time.
   
2. Nothing is stopping those sordid villains from REPEATEDLY carrying out their licentious crimes and other crimes
   
3. With very few exceptions, no punishment is meted out to those hideous dastards... and definitively not by any Jesus.

Christians believe Jesus is god who sees and hears everything all the time.

Therefore Jesus clearly sees and hears all the above crimes. And since he clearly is not stopping or punishing those crimes done by his peddlers and in his headquarters under his gazing eyes then he clearly approves of the crimes and does not mind watching them being carried out.

And since these crimes have been occurring under his gaze for millennia repeatedly and interminably... and he has never lifted a finger to stop them... then he must also enjoy watching those crimes.

Hence....

Christianity: Jesus the lascivious voyeur enjoying his lecherous priests' villainy in their rectories.​

 

[Craig4]

1. Your quote is incomplete... I said:
   
   Christianity: Jesus the lascivious voyeur enjoying his lecherous priests' villainy in their rectories.​
2. I did not say it is an objective fact... I said
   
   

However.... here are three objective facts....

1. Lecherous christian bishops and popes and priests have done and are doing all sorts of sordid deeds in their rectories and elsewhere all the time.
   
2. Nothing is stopping those sordid villains from REPEATEDLY carrying out their licentious crimes and other crimes
   
3. With very few exceptions, no punishment is meted out to those hideous dastards... and definitively not by any Jesus.

Christians believe Jesus is god who sees and hears everything all the time.

Therefore Jesus clearly sees and hears all the above crimes. And since he clearly is not stopping or punishing those crimes done by his peddlers and in his headquarters under his gazing eyes then he clearly approves of the crimes and does not mind watching them being carried out.

And since these crimes have been occurring under his gaze for millennia repeatedly and interminably... and he has never lifted a finger to stop them... then he must also enjoy watching those crimes.

Hence....

Christianity: Jesus the lascivious voyeur enjoying his lecherous priests' villainy in their rectories.​

I'll just leave this here.

Stating facts about Christianity

 

[Leumas]

That works, sometimes.
I suppose you'd say the ones who still cling to their oppressors and oppressive beliefs in spite of all information, are blighters themselves.

...

Carry on, Leumas. You're right. Christian beliefs are a grotesque blight.

Not all anti-Christian polemic is to the mark, correct, or actionable.
So go easy when someone suggests a given argument has flaws or won't have any impact for reasons.

I would welcome wholeheartedly that "someone suggests a given argument has flaws or won't have any impact for reasons"... but that has not happened here yet.... instead all I get is ad hominems and slander and abuse and ridicule and other calumnies hurled at me instead.

And when the flaws are in fact flaws not just red herrings wafted to obfuscated from the argument... I would indeed love them pointed out.

Conversely... I would expect that the ones who sincerely point out the flaws to sincerely accept it when it is proven to them that they are flawed in their allegation of flaws.... and to not turn around and start hurling calumnies because I pointed out the flaws in their argument.

 

[Lukraak_Sisser]

But you do not think that religion and religionists are already doing tremendous harm by actually doing tremendous harm not just talking?

You think WORDS against the harm doers do harm... but actual harmful ACTIONS are ok?

From where I stand most harmful actions come from new wave fascists and populists. Christians are mostly committed to democracy, and even then in my lifetime the power of christian political parties went from a major factor in politics to a tiny minority.

How about reading REALITY and news papers... do you feel compelled to defend humanity and democracy and REAITY against the harmful ACTIONS and doings and machinations and venality of the religionists and religions DOING actual harm not just talking?

I work with people who are Christian and none of them have harmed democracy. In fact, as I mentioned, harm to democracy here comes from populists and new wave fascists.

Yes... that is called cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.... do you think it is rational or SANE to do such things?

I don't know, you seem to feel it works. None of your posts come across as rational or even very sane. To me your posts feel similar to a raving Christian proclaiming hellfire and doom on a street corner.

 

[Leumas]

From where I stand most harmful actions come from new wave fascists and populists. Christians are mostly committed to democracy, and even then in my lifetime the power of christian political parties went from a major factor in politics to a tiny minority.

....In fact, as I mentioned, harm to democracy here comes from populists and new wave fascists.

Yup... the above definitively false statements say all that a rational person needs to conclude why the statements below are also arrantly false.

... None of your posts come across as rational or even very sane. To me your posts feel similar to a raving Christian proclaiming hellfire and doom on a street corner.

 

[Leumas]

... a raving Christian proclaiming hellfire and doom on a street corner.

You mean like Jesus Christ... the Zombified human sacrificed ill begotten son of a celestial slave mongering, ethnic cleansing, racist bronze age tribal deity who loved Sumerian pimps and grifters above all of the rest of humanity?

 

[Norman Alexander]

You mean like Jesus Christ... the Zombified human sacrificed ill begotten son of a celestial slave mongering, ethnic cleansing, racist bronze age tribal deity who loved Sumerian pimps and grifters above all of the rest of humanity?

So I'm going to take it that your answer to my question "You DON'T like Christians?" is "yes".

Good. End of thread.

You carry on then with the extended thesaurus lookups. We will get back to whatever else is useful in our lives.

 

[Leumas]

I work with people who are Christian and none of them have harmed democracy....

I think the above is best rebutted by

... For example they vote the blighters into office again and again.

And they send in their tithes and offerings to ministries that urge the oppression of the current hate target, whipping boy, suffering servant, scapegoat, etc. (Jesus wasn't enough.)

They know not what they do, and they don't want to know.

 

[Foster Zygote]

1. Your quote is incomplete... I said:
   
   Christianity: Jesus the lascivious voyeur enjoying his lecherous priests' villainy in their rectories.​

1. 
   
   It's a good thing you corrected Craig4, or someone might have thought you were talking about Hindus.

 

[Foster Zygote]

I think the above is best rebutted by

You know how the Christians Lukraak Sisser works with have voted?

 

[Leumas]

You know how the Christians Lukraak Sisser works with have voted?

Do you?

Does he?

He stated that they did not harm democracy... so that means he knows that they did not vote for any of the dastards we currently have destroying this country in all possible ways... does he?... do you?

If they are christian then statistically they are more likely to have voted for dastards actively sabotaging this country and the rest of the world.

If they are more like the Grand Fellow in the very first post in this thread then great... but given the responses to that post in the posts that followed it... I would bet not.

ETA: also it is not just voting... even if they did not vote at all... if they donated or tithed to churches or whatever cults they attend then they have contributed to the overall harm to this country and the world at large.