Chiropractic diagnosis

[Unsubluxated]

Very well. A specific example of a diagnosis ?

Mechanical dysfunction, headache, extremity sensation problems, torticolis, TMJ, SI pain, these are all reasons people are referred to DCs. I could go on but I'm sure that's sufficient.

 

[El Greco]

Mechanical dysfunction, headache, extremity sensation problems, torticolis, TMJ, SI pain, these are all reasons people are referred to DCs. I could go on but I'm sure that's sufficient.

What you listed are symptoms. I asked for a chiropractor's diagnosis for any number of symptoms, as compared to a medical doctor's diagnosis for the same symptoms.

 

[Unsubluxated]

Ooh. Not only ignorant, stupid and offensive, but paranoid too. Your mother must be so proud.

You're pretty good at name calling, but it's pretty bad when the New England Journal of Medicine said 3 years ago that it would not publish any more studies that had been funded by more than $10,000 by drug companies. In the following 2 years, there was only 1 study that fit the criteria, so they gave up and accepted the fact that they are all crooked. I dare you to do a little research of your own on this one, but you wouldn't do it with an open mind anyway.

 

[Martin]

I dare you to do a little research of your own on this one, but you wouldn't do it with an open mind anyway

Yet another traditional moronic copout. 'The evidence is there, you just won't accept it'. I've heard it from YECs a thousand times.

 

[Unsubluxated]

What you listed are symptoms. I asked for a chiropractor's diagnosis for any number of symptoms, as compared to a medical doctor's diagnosis for the same symptoms.

Are you under the impression that DCs use different diagnosises (diagnosie? hmmm) for symptoms than MDs do? Like SI pain isn't SI pain?

 

[Phaycops]

Are you under the impression that DCs use different diagnosises (diagnosie? hmmm) for symptoms than MDs do? Like SI pain isn't SI pain?

No, we're under the impression that pain is a symptom, and not a diagnosis. Try again.

 

[Unsubluxated]

Yet another traditional moronic copout. 'The evidence is there, you just won't accept it'. I've heard it from YECs a thousand times.

Then maybe you should listen (why the name calling? Just because I disagree with you?)

 

[Unsubluxated]

No, we're under the impression that pain is a symptom, and not a diagnosis. Try again.

The dxs are things like Cervical, thoracic, lumbar or SI subluxation, complicated by arthritis, degen. disc disease, spinal fusion etc.

 

[El Greco]

Are you under the impression that DCs use different diagnosises (diagnosie? hmmm) for symptoms than MDs do? Like SI pain isn't SI pain?

Just to help you, a possible MD's diagnosis for the symptom "back pain" would be "intervertebral disk prolapse". Can you understand the difference between the symptom and the diagnosis, namely the determination of the cause of the symptom ?

 

[Martin]

Then maybe you should listen (why the name calling? Just because I disagree with you?)

No, because your very first post (and, for that matter, everything since) has marked you out as someone who richly deserves it. If you actually come up with some evidence for your position, I'll gladly listen.

 

[El Greco]

The dxs are things like Cervical, thoracic, lumbar or SI subluxation, complicated by arthritis, degen. disc disease, spinal fusion etc.

And if we assume a diagnosis of "thoracic sublaxation" and since you said that a MD can diagnose this too, what would be the MD's diagnosis ?

 

[Unsubluxated]

They may call it a closed dislocation, they may call it a suluxated vert., they may call it mechanical dysfunction. They may call it myalgia I don't know.

 

[HopkinsMedStudent]

Unsubluxated,

Give me a list of problems/symptoms in which you believe chiropractic is more effective than placebo.

 

[HopkinsMedStudent]

Here is a good example of the kind of garbage chiros like to publish that they call "scientific research":

http://www.jvsr.com/index.asp

Conclusion: The vertebral subluxation is an entity which has profound effects on the neuromusculoskeletal system, yet is ameliorable to correction. In this case, the fall produced a vertebral subluxation complex, which caused severe disc and osseous remodeling and affected reproductive functions. With attention focused on subluxation correction, chiropactic care is an option for the subluxated infertile population.

Conclusion: This patient made no other alterations in her lifestyle or clinical situation besides the addition of chiropractic care to afford the positive outcome of increased fertility. Correlation of clinical findings support the reduction of the patient’s subluxation complex and changed neurophysiological parameters. As infertility is a growing concern, and existing medical alternatives offer limited success and while involving a myriad of concerns for the patient, it is prudent to consider other less invasive and costly approaches for dealing with interference to fertility.

Conclusion: The human body is designed to be healthy and to reproduce. Impairment of this ability indicates dysfunction on a fundamental level. Subluxations of the spine and the associated nervous system dysfunction can hinder proper function of body systems. This study serves to document the application of chiropractic care and the subsequent response, including restoration of proper reproductive function, in a 32 year old woman previously diagnosed as infertile.

Unsubluxated, please defend this outright quackery.

 

[Unsubluxated]

No, because your very first post (and, for that matter, everything since) has marked you out as someone who richly deserves it. If you actually come up with some evidence for your position, I'll gladly listen.

Someone said I should check out this site, I read a post that was attacking something I hold very dear and I was angry. I'm sure you would react the same way (which you have). If my posts were too abrupt, I apologize. And my evidence to support my position on chiropractic? Personal experience, years of working in a practice and thousands of happy, satisfied patients, piles of testimonials, hundreds of patient referrals. I have read too many studies to elaborate unless you are more specific.

 

[Dr. Popalot]

Unsubluxated,
Aren't "non-allopathic lesion" and a "chiropractic subluxation" the same thing? If not, please explain. If they are the same, why are they using a different term for the subluxation, other than a feeble attempt to foil their critics.

Could you describe for all of us what this term means, how it is detected, it's significance, etc.?

 

[HopkinsMedStudent]

And if we assume a diagnosis of "thoracic sublaxation" and since you said that a MD can diagnose this too, what would be the MD's diagnosis ?

El Greco,

just for the record, chiropractors are the only people who use the terminology "subluxation" which refers to some kind of vague misalignment of the spine. You would never hear an orthopedic surgeon or a family practice MD use that term.

For chiros, this is their magic word, so to speak. According to them (see link I posted below), "vertebral subluxations" cause everything from asthma to tinnitus to back pain to infertility.

Never mind that chiropractors dont even agree on what a subluxation is to begin with. Its a catch-all phrase to describe a so-called pathology that only chiros can diagnose or treat.

 

[geni]

I have read too many studies to elaborate unless you are more specific.

Just the names of a few well conducted ones will do nicely.

 

[Unsubluxated]

Here is a good example of the kind of garbage chiros like to publish that they call "scientific research":

http://www.jvsr.com/index.asp







Unsubluxated, please defend this outright quackery.

How is it quackery? If the brain is unable to communicate with the body and control it's function, dysfunction occurs. Tissues swell and compress nerves and hinder nerve impulses. Comunication is restored by adjusting the spine and giving the joints more normal mobility. This decreases the swelling in the tissue surrounding the joints, easing the nerve pressure. It's simple, we all have innate intelligence (at least most of us) which makes our bodies self-regulating organisms. By giving the brain the best possible communication with the body, dysfunction disappears. There are many documented cases of infertile women concieving after T/L adjustments. Just because it's not a medical solution, doesn't mean it's quackery, especially if it works!

 

[geni]

especially if it works!

Please provide evidence. So far all you have done is commited an appeal to popularity fallicy.