Chiropractic diagnosis

[geni]

My tone was in response to the overall tone of this thread. Wow, no spirited debate on this site, just 'if you don't agree with me, get the hell out'. No willingness to learn, to accept or consider that there might be another option for health care. You guys should start calling yourself a cult instead of a website. Nooooo, the world is flat, dammit and I don't care what anyone says.

*covers ears and chants "I can't hear you, I can't hear you...*

Ok lets see your evidence.

 

[Unsubluxated]

Well since we're talking slowly, let me answer you, slowly. Doctors do not simply prescribe drugs for pain. Drugs are not all bad- bad. They do not mask symptoms, they help a patient get better. Fact of the matter is, if your spine is truly out of alignment, the worst thing you can likely to is go to a chiropractor.

I mean "real doctor" as in Medical Doctor, someone who is trained and educated to recognize, diagnose, and treat a patient. Any chiropractor I know personally would rather be a real medical doctor, and I've interacted with quite a few, in all 50 of the United States. Most chiropractors would jump at the chance to have the same status and respect a medical doctor deserves. Chiropractors are not trained to diagnose and treat a patient. If a person has a problem, a chiropractor would not fix it any better than a phyiscal therapist, osteopath, and/or massage therapist. They Want To Be but without the work or the intelligence required to pass MCATS and obtain a doctorate.

Pain is a recognized symptom, and a medical doctor would work to find that source of pain, and stop or manage it to the extent it can be managed.

Did you know that out of 6 chiropractors I interviewed personally, in my area, (mind you it's a small and anecdotal number), only 1 of them recognized the common symptoms of a heart attack, and even then he missed some of the most easily recognizable symptoms?

Let's see: chiropractor: back and neck. It's dangerous to adjust the neck. Chiros don't even recognize or understand some drugs make it dangerous to adjust the c-spine.

Attacking the medical industry: attacking the medical industry does NOT verify, exonnerate, or excuse chiropractic or better it position.

Let's see a small section of how medical industry is: Oncology, hematology, endocrinology, gynecology, neurology, psychology, dermatology, anesthesiology, pediatrics, cardiology, cytopathology, gastroenterology, urology, immunology, nephrology, neonatology, orthopedics, plastic surgery, proctology, radiology, lab technician, vascular medicine, allergist, pain management, osteology.... let's also include veterinary, too.

Specialization, diagnosis, treatment.... a chiropractor is simply little more useful than a physical therapists, and physical therapists work in conjunction with medical doctors to insure a patient is treated for what the ailment is most likely.

Chiropractors are trained to diagnose and treat, and refer if necessary. I don't know what part of the country you live in, but that's not the way it is here. Last time I checked D.C. stands for DOCTOR of Chiropractic, which would indicate a Doctorate degree. D.C.s are required to obtain a four year B.S. degree and then a four year degree at Chiropractic college. When was the last time you went to a chiropractor or visited a chiropractic college? Or just take drugs and have body parts removed, it's a free country-I would be better off talking to the nearest brick wall anyway. Medical bigots.

 

[El Greco]

Nonallopathic means not treated by a medical doctor.

I'll also say it very slowly so that you can understand it and hopefully answer it:

Can this "nonallopathic lesion" be diagnosed by a medical doctor ?

I want a simple answer. Yes, No, or Maybe. If your answer is No or Maybe, give me an example of a "nonallopathic lesion" that a medical doctor cannot diagnose.

 

[Unsubluxated]

Ok lets see your evidence.

Evidence for what, the world is flat? Don't have any, that theory was disproven hundreds of years ago.

 

[cbish]

suezoled wrote:

I think it changes cbish

Oh no doubt! That's why I brought it up. I am EXTREMEMELY confident I would get 10 different diagnosis.

The "one leg longer than the other" diagnosis. I love that one! It's definetly my favorite.

 

[Unsubluxated]

I'll also say it very slowly so that you can understand it and hopefully answer it:

Can this "nonallopathic lesion" be diagnosed by a medical doctor ?

I want a simple answer. Yes, No, or Maybe. If your answer is No or Maybe, give me an example of a "nonallopathic lesion" that a medical doctor cannot diagnose.

Of course a M.D. could diagnose it, however, the treatment would be very different. I know of many people who saw their M.D. for pain and were referred to a D.C. for treatment and virtually all of them were extremely satisfied with the results.

 

[Martin]

Medical bigots

Ah, the last refuge of the moronic cretin.

 

[Phaycops]

Chiropractors are trained to diagnose and treat, and refer if necessary. I don't know what part of the country you live in, but that's not the way it is here. Last time I checked D.C. stands for DOCTOR of Chiropractic, which would indicate a Doctorate degree. D.C.s are required to obtain a four year B.S. degree and then a four year degree at Chiropractic college. When was the last time you went to a chiropractor or visited a chiropractic college? Or just take drugs and have body parts removed, it's a free country-I would be better off talking to the nearest brick wall anyway. Medical bigots.

Just because it's called a college doesn't mean that what it teaches is true. A doctor of chiropractic does NOT have the same schooling or qualifications as a medical doctor.

 

[Unsubluxated]

suezoled wrote:


Oh no doubt! That's why I brought it up. I am EXTREMEMELY confident I would get 10 different diagnosis.

The "one leg longer than the other" diagnosis. I love that one! It's definetly my favorite.

Yes, mine too, because everyone knows thats impossible, everyone's legs are exactly the same length!!! hahahahaha

 

[Martin]

Of course a M.D. could diagnose it, however, the treatment would be very different

Yes, indeed. The MD's treatment would work.

 

[geni]

Evidence for what, the world is flat? Don't have any, that theory was disproven hundreds of years ago.

Evidence that Chiropractors can do what they claim for the reasons that they claim.

 

[El Greco]

Of course a M.D. could diagnose it, however, the treatment would be very different.

Very well. A specific example of a diagnosis ?

 

[Unsubluxated]

Just because it's called a college doesn't mean that what it teaches is true. A doctor of chiropractic does NOT have the same schooling or qualifications as a medical doctor.

Nor should it be, it's a different scope of practice, however, it doesn't mean that the education they receive is not as extensive as a MD, merely a different area of study. Actually, DCs spend more hours studying anatomy, neurology and disease processes than MDs do.

 

[Unsubluxated]

Yes, indeed. The MD's treatment would work.

No, it would cover up the symptoms using pain meds. It wouldn't fix anything. When the pt. stops taking the meds, the pain is still there. Not so with adjustments.

 

[(S)]

*giggle*
You're just making stuff up now, aren't you? Admit it.

 

[geni]

No, it would cover up the symptoms using pain meds. It wouldn't fix anything. When the pt. stops taking the meds, the pain is still there. Not so with adjustments.

Evidence? Come on just a few well conducted studies.

 

[Unsubluxated]

Evidence that Chiropractors can do what they claim for the reasons that they claim.

You're being awfully vague, what are you asking for proof of. There are some great studies out there, however, the chiropractic profession does not receive the financial backing of the pharmecuetical industry like medical studies. The good thing is, the studies that are there are not swayed by drug money like studies on drugs are.

 

[Unsubluxated]

*giggle*
You're just making stuff up now, aren't you? Admit it.

OK, you caught me *giggle*

 

[Martin]

The good thing is, the studies that are there are not swayed by drug money like studies on drugs are.

Ooh. Not only ignorant, stupid and offensive, but paranoid too. Your mother must be so proud.

 

[geni]

You're being awfully vague, what are you asking for proof of.

That Chiropractors can do at least some of the things they claim for the reasons that they claim.

There are some great studies out there,

Please name them.

however, the chiropractic profession does not receive the financial backing of the pharmecuetical industry like medical studies. The good thing is, the studies that are there are not swayed by drug money like studies on drugs are.

You can of course show that drugs money causes bad science.