Chief Justice Moore refuses to remove 10 commandments

pgwenthold said:
The test that Brown posts here indicates fairly clear what I suspected from the beginning: the only goal is to keep going to court, no matter how frivolous the suit, just to stall the actual removing of the monument. The judge says "I'll address this Wednesday" and that gives them an extra two days.
There may be one other goal, namely, to issue what the plaintiffs believe is a "Christian Manifesto." Parts of these documents don't really resemble legal documents. They seem to include an excess of what I call "quotables": things that really have no bearing on the suit but that the plaintiffs hope will rally others to their cause.

When this case goes down in flames, there will be those who blame the judge. Actually, the lawyers who signed their names to these documents are the ones who really ought to have their feet held to the fire.
 
Upchurch said:
The thing is, in reading the article, the point of the statue in question isn't about establishing religion, as Moore's monument was, but instead about honoring a person.

There is a subtle but important difference.
You are correct (as usual) and I don't anticipate that much will be made of this case. I merely point it out because I see the trend towards challenging religion in government as a good thing.
 
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-z

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Brown said:
When this case goes down in flames, there will be those who blame the judge. Actually, the lawyers who signed their names to these documents are the ones who really ought to have their feet held to the fire.

Can the judge issue a reprimand or complaint of some sort? Is there any thing to hold the lawyers accountable for a frivolous suit? Summarily dismissing it doesn't penalize them for bringing it in the first place.
 
pgwenthold said:
Can the judge issue a reprimand or complaint of some sort? Is there any thing to hold the lawyers accountable for a frivolous suit? Summarily dismissing it doesn't penalize them for bringing it in the first place.
Short answer: yes.

Federal courts have the power to impose sanctions against litigants and attorneys.

This power is rarely exercised, however.

The judge who will hear the case is Judge Steele, I believe. I do not know what kind of judge he is. He might ask the attorneys something sarcastic like, "Where did you learn to draft a pleading?" Or he might see if the attorneys will make some really outrageous remarks by asking, for example, "Can I overrule the decision of the Circuit court? Isn't that what you are asking me to do?" Or he might ask them how in the world they could possibly maintain that they are likely to prevail on the merits, or he might ask them to clarify how they have standing.

If these attorneys make a respectful argument, chances are they won't be penalized. But if they anger the judge... look out!
 
Tricky said:
I see the trend towards challenging religion in government as a good thing.
As a rule of thumb, the government should be challenged on all subjects, preferably on a regular basis. I wonder the founding fathers meant free speech to be the ultimate checks and balances or if it just worked out that way...
 
Commandment Statue

Well, the point here is that Judge Moore really does not have a point.

He is a religous fanatic, pure and simple, and he will be totally unable to think in a logical fashion regarding this issue. Believe me when I say the issue has nothing really to do with the commandments being the foundation of the law, etc.

It is unbelievable to me that the monument is still allowed to be there, since it was ordered moved.

The issue is not really to me, what is being removed, it is just the fact that a Supreme Court Justice would be allowed to act in such a bizarre manner, and does act in such a bizarre manner, turning his nose up at the law. And the poor followers outside the building will I guess die in the heat, while blindly following this guy. Reminds me of pilot whales that blindly follow their leader and beach themselves over and over again, until they die, all the while believing they were right.

I for one, have no respect at all for Moore, and how he has just seemingly used this issue to garner attention to himself.

The stone needs to be removed, and Moore needs to step down from his office. He is not fit to be there.
 
The thing has been removed, and the stupid lawsuit won't be heard because 1) Mobile has no jurisdiction, and 2) the suit has no merit.

Move on.
 
According to the BBC, Moore has been suspended as well. Don't know if that's old news (I can't be bothered to check the thread) but thought it might be something cheery.

Edited to add: Oh yes, it happened last week. So I'm not telling you anything you don't already know. Oh well!
 
I saw a picture of the thing yesterday. It has the phrase "laws of Nature and of Nature's god" from the Declaration of Independence on the front. I wonder if Moore, et.al. understand the Deist origins of that odd phrasing.

http://www.startribune.com
 
Just posted this in the Religion section, the monument has been moved

Ten Commandments monument moved

just to another part of the building, but it's a start.


are the protesters there taking things gracefully?
Patrick Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, said one firm contacted about removing the monument has refused to do so, and he urged Moore's supporters to boycott any company that took the job.

"When we discover that (moving) company, I think they're going to be sorry they cooperated with this act," Schenck said.
 
Re: Commandment Statue

nightwind said:
Moore needs to step down from his office. He is not fit to be there.
Fitness for office has nothing to do with Alabama politics. This will probably propel Moore to even greater heights. He will probably run for Congress or Governor, and, sadly, will likely win.
 
From an article in today's Christian Science Monitor:
In fact, Moore's monument parallels moves under way by a group called Faith and Action, which has had about 400 marble slabs and carved tables installed in public places political offices. Lawsuits, of course, have followed, and in most cases, courts have ruled against the displays.

Experts warn the issue itself - stone tablets in public - is narrow and perishable. To compare Moore's stand on the courthouse steps to a historical moment such as Wallace's stand in the schoolhouse door before thousands is "ludicrous," says Dean Culpepper Clark of the University of Alabama College of Communication, author of a book on Wallace. "Judge Moore claims to represent people who are in no way oppressed," Mr. Clark says.

Most educated Alabamians consider Moore a zealot out of touch with mainstream Christianity, says Clark, who suspects they'll abandon Moore as he flouts the system and defies judges.

Still, he adds, the galvanization of the Christian right "could ripple out a good bit."

[...]

The crowd's devotion, says Clark, is somewhat baffling: Moore's followers have braved the heat on marble stairs, even slept there for several nights, when conservative Christian Republicans control the White House, both houses of Congress, the Alabama governor's mansion, the state Legislature, and the state Supreme Court. But many of the faithful feel besieged all the same - in part by rulings such as the Texas sodomy case. That unease helps make this a galvanizing time for the Christian right.
And here's a pic of a few in that devoted crowd:

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KNEEL AND APPEAL: Protesters Larry Ellard and
Jessica Moore (l.) prayed at the federal court in
Montgomery last week. TAMI CHAPPELL/REUTERS



Unfortunately, the activities of these Moore-ons is not limited to the prostrating themselves on the steps of the Supreme Court steps accompanied by much wailing and gnashing of teeth:
Federal District Judge Myron Thompson imposed daily fines of $5,000 on the state for contempt of his ruling - a decision upheld this month by the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. For that, Judge Thompson has received death threats. Morris Dees, founder and director of the Southern Poverty Law Center, who conducted a tough cross-examination of Moore, is also staying out of public view due to threats on his life. And security around Montgomery is high, in anticipation of violence from Moore's followers upon the monument's removal.
Death threats? They must be forgetting one of the ten commandments they are so eager to defend.
 
"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."
-- Jesus Christ

"When we discover that (moving) company, I think they're going to be sorry they cooperated with this act."
-- "Rev." Rob Schenck
 
Both this:
zakur said:
From an article in today's Christian Science Monitor Most educated Alabamians consider Moore a zealot out of touch with mainstream Christianity, says [Dean Culpepper] Clark [of the University of Alabama College of Communication], who suspects they'll abandon Moore as he flouts the
system and defies judges.
and this:
Originally posted by AmateurScientist
Although [Moore] enjoys support from many religious extremists, he does not have the support of the mainstream voter in Alabama. Not everyone in Alabama stood by the monument this past week, although so many people on this message board seem to believe they did.
seem at odds with this quote, from "Standoff at Roy's Rock," by Rebecca Winters, Time, September 1, 2003:
[Moore's] victories in the court of public opinion, however, have been more decisive. He won his chief justice post with 54% of the vote, and in a July poll of Alabama residents, 77% say they approve of his stone monument. (Italics mine.)
 
AS,

You keep telling us that Moore's political career in 'bama is over, but I can't shake the feeling that he's just taken another step up. I point to the poll numbers posted above by Regnad.

And if most edumacated Alabamans are opposed to Moore, what's that got to do with the electorate in general?

Are you irrationally optimistic?
 
Brown said:

"When we discover that (moving) company, I think they're going to be sorry they cooperated with this act."
-- "Rev." Rob Schenck

I will laugh very hard if the "moving company" turns out to be the Army Corps of Engineers, the Alabama National Guard, or the State DOT.
 
It's HAPPENED!!!

The removal of the Ten Commandments has caused a sharp decline on the morals of Alabamans!!!


HERE'S PROOF! PUBLIC MAN-ON-MAN MASSAGE, right on the COURTHOUSE GROUNDS!!!



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Silicon said:
It's HAPPENED!!!

The removal of the Ten Commandments has caused a sharp decline on the morals of Alabamans!!!


HERE'S PROOF! PUBLIC MAN-ON-MAN MASSAGE, right on the COURTHOUSE GROUNDS!!!
:dl:
 

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