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Chemtrails again

lol.

So I post that picture of the airplane cockpit from the front of this thread with the title: "Chemtrails: Exhibit A" and no other text. I wait patiently and soon my patience was rewarded:
Would you now like to attempt and disrprove the many times the US and other government militaries have knowingly engaged in chemical and other experiments on unsuspecting populations, their own populations- or would you rather make a joke of serious issues.​
I'm just waiting for him to bust out that law you guys were looking for..;)
When the eventual picture of the fuselage full of aluminum barrels emerges, hit them with this link to the Boeing 777 flight test program:
http://www.boeing.com/commercial/777family/200LR/people.html
 
thanks for the tip!

It's amazing how these debates all seem to follow a script eh? I guess its the small pool of resources available to "prove" their case....
 
If this were true, "they" would be trumpeting their successful resolution of the climate change issue in every news media available. "They" wouldn't be keeping it secret.

Remember, voters like it when you do good things! Especially when there's no taxes needed to pay for it. (Apparently these climate control "pellets" are free).

Or do you think "they" are spraying "pellets" to make the climate change issue worse? Because that is something "they" would definitely keep secret. Suicidal (omnicidal?) bureaucrats are relatively disliked by the electorate.

1. No "they" wouldn't be trumpeting anything if it is a covert or secret operation. Do you ever remember the first flight of the Stealth Fighter being broadcast in the late 70's? Me neither.

Remember, chemtrails if they are used for climate/weather manipulation could also be used as a weapon against a foreign enemy as well. I don't think the Defense Establishment likes to advertise covert weapon programs.

How are you defining success? "He we broke up a storm front! Yahoo! Lets hold a press conference!"

How many years would it take to determine "success" surrounding a wide scale weather/climate operation?

Do you think they would be proclaiming success on an operation that requires humans being defacto guinea pigs?

Is an operation like this outside of congressional scrutiny? $200.00 toilet seats anyone?

If so do you think "they" would celebrate it publicly.

2. No I don't think they are doing it to make things worse unless of course it was being used to determine the viability of climate control as a weapon of war to be used against the enemies of America.
 
Ah, back to the old 'lack of evidence is evidence'.

Well, sheesh, all the best executed and most complex conspiracies have no real evidence to support them, otherwise they'd just be regular run-of-the-mill conspiracies like Watergate or Iran Contra.

Didn't you know that?
 
Try to realize that most people here see through your attempts to conflate known and relatively small-scale attempts at weather modification, and investigations into contrails' effect on climate, with some sort of massive, secret "dispersion operations taking place to either control the weather or combat global warming". They are not the same thing, and we've seen this tactic many times before.

I will ask you the same thing I asked tippit: Where is your evidence for such a massive, secret campaign? How exactly would you distinguish such from ordinary contrails?

Tactic? It isn't a tactic. I simply laid out what I thought and why.
And your logic is comical. In one sentence you recognize that "small scale weather modification" does exist, but yet when it comes to a large scale "weather control ie. modification" can't exist. So with your logic, size does matter! :lolsign:
Rejected.

How would I distinguish one from the other. Excellent question.

1. Time lapse photography of contrails compared to non-contrails.

I've witnessed "trails" remain in the atmosphere for over an hour, spread out, and create a hazy like cloud cover above the area I live in. I've also seen normal contrails remain persistent but never spread out into a hazy cloud cover.
My grandfather, an FAA flight examiner has provided me with plenty of opportunities to observe commercial and military aircraft activity. I live in a high air traffic corridor in the midwest and very close to Wright Patterson Air Force Base. I'm very familiar with "trail" activity.

2. Cross reference condition of the atmosphere with weather radar data. On supposed "chemtrail" days, the sky is a patchwork criss cross of trails usually early in the morning. These trails then combine, spread out, and create a hazy cloud like cover for several hours. Not the typical evaporation rates of contrails. I would question why a weather radar would not show this cloud cover on an otherwise clear day.

3. If "chemtrail" residue is discovered as mentioned in the mainstream media report linked to earlier and can't be shown to originate from another source.
I've come across this stuff but was unable to get it to a laboratory for testing. At first I thought it was spider webs. It was snow white, stringy, on chain link fences and on the ground in different dispersion patterns. After touching it, the stuff dissolved in my hand into an oily slick residue. The string literally disappeared. This removed any suspicion on my part about spider webs at least those native to my location. I've also seen this white thread stuff falling from the sky in small stringy lengths as well. The same thing happened when I was examining it in my palm. This string happened on supposedly heavy "contrail" days.

4. A cross reference of alleged "chemtrail" activity with an increase in upper respiratory ailments. (see the news report I linked to earlier.) It is curious that many amateurs have found above normal levels of barium after heavy trail days.

5. The only true way to ascertain the contents of said trails is to perform chemical tests on the trails themselves or their observed "fall out".

MRC-HansBecause they have not told us about them, and they could not be kept secret. Look at this little calculation:

Area length (km) :4000
Area width (km) :2000
Coverings pr. week:1
Track spacing (km):3
Effectivity:0,50
Flight speed (kph):900
Operative days/year:300
Hours per shift:10
Shifts per day:2
Aircrew size:3
Ground crew size:7
Fuel consumption (l/km):16
Kilometers per annum:277333333
Flight hours:308148
No. of planes:51
Manpower:2157
Total fuel (tons):3697778

This is the logistics for spraying just the US, once a week. It would require a medium-sized airline. Only, this stuff goes on over the entire planet. You couldn't hide an operation like this for ten minutes. You couldn't even get through the planning phase before somebody spilled the beans, and the media would be all over you.

Hans
1. Why do you think "they" would tell us anything or everything for that matter? Non-disclosure means non-existence with your logic Hans. To you then, Area 51-doesn't exist, the Stealth Fighter didn't exist until it was publicly revealed, anything not in the public view then doesn't exist. I'm sure you can see the fallacy in your logic.

2. What were all of those calculations based upon and what in the heck does it have to do with anything? Why do you think the entire U.S. is being 'sprayed'? What leads you to incorporate that into your equation?

3. Your next wrong assumption is that someone would spill the beans if they knew about it. This is a fallacy of course and I'm sure you know why based upon some of the examples I listed above.
 
Swing, no wonder you like 9/11 truth CTs. Chemtrail... lol, this is funny; you act all intelligent, you bring in granddad to confirm your kind of nuts for Chemtrails.

A faulty commentary on Chemtrails. But very well put together and many dumb people will follow and buy the Chemtrail CT. You did.
 
5. The only true way to ascertain the contents of said trails is to perform chemical tests on the trails themselves or their observed "fall out".

You are right about this. Why haven't those who claim chemtrails exist done this yet?
 
1. Time lapse photography of contrails compared to non-contrails.

:dl:

Much like the time lapse photography of people compared to shapeshifters.
 
1. Time lapse photography of contrails compared to non-contrails.

So, if you could tell the difference in order to photograph one or the other and compare why would we be having this debate?
 
I've witnessed "trails" remain in the atmosphere for over an hour, spread out, and create a hazy like cloud cover above the area I live in.

So, how do you know that the weather conditions weren't such that the cloud cover would not have formed anyway contrails or no contrails?
 
How would I distinguish one from the other. Excellent question.

1. Time lapse photography of contrails compared to non-contrails.

I've witnessed "trails" remain in the atmosphere for over an hour, spread out, and create a hazy like cloud cover above the area I live in. I've also seen normal contrails remain persistent but never spread out into a hazy cloud cover.

Antoine de Saint-Exupery said:
The German on the ground knows us by the pearly white scarf which every plane flying at high altitude trails behind like a bridal veil. The disturbance caused by our meteoric flight crystallizes the watery vapor in the atmosphere. We unwind behind us a cirrus of icicles. If the atmospheric conditions are favorable to the formation of clouds, our wake will thicken bit by bit and become an evening cloud over the countryside.
Flight to Arras Chapter 8
Available in Airman's Odyssey, published by Harcourt Brace & Company
ISBN 0-15-603733-5 (paperback)
Emphasis by TjW


I've posted this before.
The same behavior of contrails was reported 66 years ago.

Was the author an NWO shill?
 
When the eventual picture of the fuselage full of aluminum barrels emerges, hit them with this link to the Boeing 777 flight test program:
www .boeing .com/commercial/777family/200LR/people.htm
Not even the hawaiians are safe: www. airliners .net/photo/Hawaiian-Air/Boeing-717-22A/0175720/L/
;)
 
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Unlikely, since deoxygenated blood is still red. Unless they were lobsters of course.

I thought lobsters had green blood? (I could be wrong - often am, in fact.)

Here's a thought - since it seems to be the "persistent" form of con/chemtrail that is most troubling, could it be that all clouds ARE REALLY JUST VERY LARGE CHEMTRAILS? Think about it. Connect the dots. All these "clouds" around all the time...What do they really contain?

:boxedin:
 
Do things like Chemtrails remind anyone else how people used to act 1000s of years ago? They would see something they don't understand and make up some wild reasoning behind it like God punishing them for this or that, or the world being flat, or witchcraft, etc?
 
Do things like Chemtrails remind anyone else how people used to act 1000s of years ago? They would see something they don't understand and make up some wild reasoning behind it like God punishing them for this or that, or the world being flat, or witchcraft, etc?

Yes. When listening to this silly chemtrail debate, I often have images in my mind of Neanderthals cowering behind a fallen tree cursing a total eclipse of the moon and wondering what they did to get the moon spirit angry at them. Xenophobia at its best.
 
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