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Chavez vs the USA

DC said:
RCTV is still free to air whatever they want. they just have not a licence anymore to use public terrestrial waves. they have to go via cable.
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With which they can only capture a fraction of the former audience. Chavez didn't silence them, that is true, but he did gag them. Tell me, do you think gagging a TV station benefits the freedom of speech and media freedom in a country, or does it limit it?

From Wikipedia:
In the wake of the loss of its terrestrial licence, RCTV announced plans to continue broadcasting its main news program 'El Observador' on popular internet video host YouTube during 2007.[90] YouTube viewership of 'El Observador' was initially significant but within a week of the end of RCTV's television transmission had fallen to less than 5,000 viewers a day.

McHrozni
 
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DC said:
and now go true all the newsreport about president Álvaro Uribe Vélez and compare it to Chavez reports.

when a Capitalist like Uribe has problems in his country the western press doenst mind, but when its a Socialist like Chavez, oh then its all his fault and he should be removed from office because he cannot solve the problem.....
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There is this little thing called FARC in Colombia, which is among the most brutal commie groups. Guess who's their suggar daddy.

Venezuela has none of that. Did you know that a civil war tends to increase the number of violent deaths in a nation?

McHrozni
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Hmmmm....
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
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That list appears several years out of date. Venezuela's murder rate is currently between 130-160 deaths per 100,000 people, or 1.3-1.6 per 1000 people. Over twice Colombias', despite their civil war, to put things in perspective.

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1059.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/venezuela/3184293/Venezuelas-murder-rates-surpass-Colombias-under-Hugo-Chavez.html

McHrozni
 
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McHrozni said:
Venezuela has plentiful policemen. The problem is the corruption is pervasive, and Chavez is completely unable or unwilling to deal with that. He should care a lot less for loyalty of his police force, and a lot more about them doing their job.

It would undoubtedly cost him his office within a few years, but if he is concerned about the well-being of Venezuela, it's the only thing to do.

McHrozni
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why do you think it would cost him his job?
 
McHrozni said:
With which they can only capture a fraction of the former audience. Chavez didn't silence them, that is true, but he did gag them. Tell me, do you think gagging a TV station benefits the freedom of speech and media freedom in a country, or does it limit it?

From Wikipedia:
In the wake of the loss of its terrestrial licence, RCTV announced plans to continue broadcasting its main news program 'El Observador' on popular internet video host YouTube during 2007.[90] YouTube viewership of 'El Observador' was initially significant but within a week of the end of RCTV's television transmission had fallen to less than 5,000 viewers a day.

McHrozni
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they should have thought about that before the cooperated with the coup plotters that toppled a democratic elected government.

i wonder if CNN would still be on air if they cooperated with a group of people that capture Obama and take over the government.
 
McHrozni said:
There is this little thing called FARC in Colombia, which is among the most brutal commie groups. Guess who's their suggar daddy.

Venezuela has none of that. Did you know that a civil war tends to increase the number of violent deaths in a nation?

McHrozni
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ah i understand, also Columbias crime problems are Chavez his fault. its getting better and better.

does chavez support their violance or did he call up FARC to stop the violence?
 
DC said:
why do you think it would cost him his job?
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I imagine he is smart enough to know why is he pulling hostile TV stations off the public airways and putting them into relative obscurity, and forcing all broadcasters to spew out his propaganda.
Why do you think the Venezuelan media laws force national media to broadcast all that **** anyway?

McHrozni
 
DC said:
they should have thought about that before the cooperated with the coup plotters that toppled a democratic elected government.
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Was that in violation of any law?

i wonder if CNN would still be on air if they cooperated with a group of people that capture Obama and take over the government.
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Considering the C in CNN stands for Cable (News Network), I quite fail to see the point of your question.

McHrozni
 
DC said:
ah i understand, also Columbias crime problems are Chavez his fault. its getting better and better.
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Notice how I didn't say that, straw man.

does chavez support their violance or did he call up FARC to stop the violence?
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Reports say that his military and police force at least turn a blind eye to FARC guerrillas operating in the border areas. He may also be benefiting from their drug trade and supplying them with weapons, though there is no publicly available evidence for that.
I'd give you links, but you ignored them the last five times, so I don't see the point in doing so.

I tried to find him calling on them to stop the violence, but I couldn't find anything.

To sum up, he supports them in their violence and has not called on them to stop the violence. Did you have a point?

Mchrozni
 
DC said:
links that contained alot rumors and claims without evidene, the same can be done about US voting machines.
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Wait, are you saying Venezuela has no problems with their elections because there were unprovable rumors about USA having problems with their elections? :confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
I imagine he is smart enough to know why is he pulling hostile TV stations off the public airways and putting them into relative obscurity, and forcing all broadcasters to spew out his propaganda.
Why do you think the Venezuelan media laws force national media to broadcast all that **** anyway?

McHrozni
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what has that to do with fighting the crime rates?

but you think by not renewing RCTV's licence he was able to win reelection and the recall referendum?

like there are no other media in venezuela?

i also dislike that private TV stations are forced to bring those official clips. But thats how it is in Venezuela. If the people dislike it, they can change it.
but it looks like the majority of people in Venezuela are pretty happy with Chavez his work.
 
McHrozni said:
Notice how I didn't say that, straw man.



Reports say that his military and police force at least turn a blind eye to FARC guerrillas operating in the border areas. He may also be benefiting from their drug trade and supplying them with weapons, though there is no publicly available evidence for that.
I'd give you links, but you ignored them the last five times, so I don't see the point in doing so.

I tried to find him calling on them to stop the violence, but I couldn't find anything.

To sum up, he supports them in their violence and has not called on them to stop the violence. Did you have a point?

Mchrozni
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ah more Conspiracy theories.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/newsenglish/witn/2008/06/080609_chavez_farc.shtml
 
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DC said:
what has that to do with fighting the crime rates?
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Did I ever say crime rate is the only problem in Venezuela?

but you think by not renewing RCTV's licence he was able to win reelection and the recall referendum?
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Considering both happened before that, no, I don't think so.

like there are no other media in venezuela?
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If you follow one of the wikipedia links I gave you, you'll come to a conclusion that no, there is no independent media in Venezuela any more.

i also dislike that private TV stations are forced to bring those official clips. But thats how it is in Venezuela. If the people dislike it, they can change it.
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Like when they voted against the constitutional changes that happened anyway? Oh wait, bad example, right?

but it looks like the majority of people in Venezuela are pretty happy with Chavez his work.
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Or maybe they just don't see the other guy as any better. I do wonder if constantly listening to how bad he is and how good their president is on public airways could sway public opinion any. Do you think it could?

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DC said:
ah more Conspiracy theories.
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Another dodge, I see. Before you ask, the post you quoted earlier had links for a reason. Ignoring evidence does not make it go away, you know.

McHrozni
 
McHrozni said:
Did I ever say crime rate is the only problem in Venezuela?



Considering both happened before that, no, I don't think so.





If you follow one of the wikipedia links I gave you, you'll come to a conclusion that no, there is no independent media in Venezuela any more.



Like when they voted against the constitutional changes that happened anyway? Oh wait, bad example, right?



Or maybe they just don't see the other guy as any better. I do wonder if constantly listening to how bad he is and how good their president is on public airways could sway public opinion any. Do you think it could?

McHrozni
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no independent media LOL

Televen, Venevisión, Globovisión. TV stations
El Nacional, Últimas Noticias and El Universal, News papers

just a few of the imdependent, some of the newspaper have even an english online section, and there you can read critical articels about Chavez and his politics.


like i said, you have already fallen for the demonisation.
 
McHrozni said:
Another dodge, I see. Before you ask, the post you quoted earlier had links for a reason. Ignoring evidence does not make it go away, you know.

McHrozni
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provide real evidence of cheated elections.

you do know the same claims have been made in the US by CT's.
maybe they can help you finding "evidence" :)
 
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