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Charles in Cloud Cuckoo Land again

Asolepius

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Yes, he's at it again. The comments boards are alive with support for this troublesome aristocrat (will nobody rid us of him?). I think he would really like us to go back to hunting-gathering. On the contrary, because organic farming is so inefficient it would deforest the planet if it were allowed to take over. On the contrary, there is an argument for the most intensive farming possible, which would use less land and release more for biodiversity.

It's a tragedy that this man, whose position depends on an accident of birth, has no understanding of what science and evidence are, yet commands enormous respect for his emotive and evidence-free opinions. Oliver Cromwell was a great man.
 
Ugh. I loathe this strange and insane little man.

Just because he has the regimental silver of the Queen's Own Loyal Rodwallopers dangling from his trilby, we're expected to treat his increasingly odd opinions with some degree of respect.

It's even more chilling that this inbred weirdo will one day be my King.

MtD
 
The only consolation is that if he tries this sort of thing when he is king there will be such a constitutional crisis that the royal family might not survive it.
 
I've always been uncomfortable with the organic farming lot. Sure it's nice that rich people in the developed world get a validating sense of smugness from growing sub-par vegetables but I just don't see how such methods can be expected to feed the teeming billions in years to come.

MtD
 
Dawkins to HRH in 2000:
Sir, I think you may have an exaggerated idea of the naturalness of 'traditional' or 'organic' agriculture. Agriculture has always been unnatural. Our species began to depart from our natural hunter-gatherer lifestyle as recently as 10,000 years ago - too short to measure on the evolutionary timescale.

Wheat, be it ever so wholemeal and stoneground, is not a natural food for Homo sapiens. Nor is milk, except for children. Almost every morsel of our food is genetically modified - admittedly by artificial selection not artificial mutation, but the end result is the same. A wheat grain is a genetically modified grass seed, just as a pekinese is a genetically modified wolf. Playing God? We've been playing God for centuries!

The large, anonymous crowds in which we now teem began with the agricultural revolution, and without agriculture we could survive in only a tiny fraction of our current numbers. Our high population is an agricultural (and technological and medical) artifact. It is far more unnatural than the population-limiting methods condemned as unnatural by the Pope. Like it or not, we are stuck with agriculture, and agriculture - all agriculture – is unnatural. We sold that pass 10,000 years ago.

Does that mean there's nothing to choose between different kinds of agriculture when it comes to sustainable planetary welfare? Certainly not. Some are much more damaging than others, but it's no use appealing to 'nature', or to 'instinct' in order to decide which ones. You have to study the evidence, soberly and reasonably - scientifically. Slashing and burning (incidentally, no agricultural system is closer to being 'traditional') destroys our ancient forests. Overgrazing (again, widely practised by 'traditional' cultures) causes soil erosion and turns fertile pasture into desert. Moving to our own modern tribe, monoculture, fed by powdered fertilisers and poisons, is bad for the future; indiscriminate use of antibiotics to promote livestock growth is worse.

Incidentally, one worrying aspect of the hysterical opposition to the possible risks from GM crops is that it diverts attention from definite dangers which are already well understood but largely ignored. The evolution of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria is something that a Darwinian might have foreseen from the day antibiotics were discovered. Unfortunately the warning voices have been rather quiet, and now they are drowned by the baying cacophony: 'GM GM GM GM GM GM!'

Moreover if, as I expect, the dire prophecies of GM doom fail to materialise, the feeling of let-down may spill over into complacency about real risks. Has it occurred to you that our present GM brouhaha may be a terrible case of crying wolf?


Lots more:
http://www.agbioworld.org/biotech-info/articles/biotech-art/princecharles.html
 
More generally, what of the "biodynamic" farming crowd? Presumably Charlie is a fan. How does seeding the earth with a horn full of cow **** make any difference?

MtD
 
Yes, he's at it again. The comments boards are alive with support for this troublesome aristocrat (will nobody rid us of him?). I think he would really like us to go back to hunting-gathering. On the contrary, because organic farming is so inefficient it would deforest the planet if it were allowed to take over. On the contrary, there is an argument for the most intensive farming possible, which would use less land and release more for biodiversity.

It's a tragedy that this man, whose position depends on an accident of birth, has no understanding of what science and evidence are, yet commands enormous respect for his emotive and evidence-free opinions. Oliver Cromwell was a great man.
I know a lot of Irish who would dispute that.;)
 
So he does at least try to offer some evidence.

The Prince of Wales cited the widespread environmental damage in India caused by the rush to mass produce GM food.
"Look at India's Green Revolution. It worked for a short time but now the price is being paid.
"I have been to the Punjab where you have seen the disasters that have taken place as result of the over demand on irrigation because of the hybrid seeds and grains that have been produced which demand huge amounts of water.
"[The] water table has disappeared. They have huge problems with water level, with pesticide problems, and complications which are now coming home to roost.
"Look at western Australia. Huge salinisation problems. I have been there. Seen it. Some of the excessive approaches to modern forms of agriculture."

Are the seeds and grains he's tlaking about actually GM or are they simply bred in the age old techniques of artificial selection that produced the modern aristocracy.
 
So he does at least try to offer some evidence.



Are the seeds and grains he's tlaking about actually GM or are they simply bred in the age old techniques of artificial selection that produced the modern aristocracy.

Feh I detect royalist sympathies. Burn him!

MtD
 
The Prince of Wales cited the widespread environmental damage in India caused by the rush to mass produce GM food.
"Look at India's Green Revolution."
The Indian Green Revolution? The one that was kicked in the 1960s by conventional selective breeding efforts that have nothing to do with GM?

Edit: Indeed, Ocelot.
 
So he does at least try to offer some evidence.



Are the seeds and grains he's tlaking about actually GM or are they simply bred in the age old techniques of artificial selection that produced the modern aristocracy.
No they were not GM. There's a very good response to HRH on the BBC site.
 
Completely OT - I just wanted to say how much I love the phrase "Cloud-Cuckoo Land." :)

It's really too bad the PoW seems to take after his father and great-uncle much more than his mum and grandfather.
 
Do you suppose that HRH's foolishness is the reason the Queen is hanging in there? :D
I don't know if anyone remembers the UK puppet show `Spitting Image', but there was a marvellous sketch of the Queen singing a spoof of Gloria Gaynor's `I will survive'. My favourite line is:

"As long as Charles is next in line I have to stay alive - I will survive."
 
Ah, memories! That was one of my favourite Spitting Image sketches.

It amazes me that Charlie Boy seems to be widely regarded as one of the more intelligent members of the royal family (no, admittedly that's not high praise). He got a Third Class BA in Anthropology, you know!
 
Ah, memories! That was one of my favourite Spitting Image sketches.

It amazes me that Charlie Boy seems to be widely regarded as one of the more intelligent members of the royal family (no, admittedly that's not high praise). He got a Third Class BA in Anthropology, you know!
Of course he never made the grade for Cambridge but they accepted him anyway. I thought his degree was a 2.2, but that's of academic interest only ;).

No, he's no great shakes intellectually but he makes up for it with noise level. I'd love to know if he's read a science book in his life.
 
He dearly believes that the British public should bow down to him. Perhaps he dimly perceives that it ain't going to happen unless we go back to a medieval feudal economy.


No, he's no great shakes intellectually but he makes up for it with noise level. I'd love to know if he's read a science book in his life.

I'd love to know if he can actually read.
 

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