Chances of a EU collapse?

[Humes fork]

People said similar things when it came to admitting Eastern European countries to the EU. Turns out, there was nothing to worry about, the people of those countries didn't en masse pack up their stuff and move to the wealthier Western European countries.

But some movement did take place. There are plenty of construction employees who are of East European origin in Sweden. I don't really see the problem with that though.

Also, Eastern Europe doesn't have a drug war claiming tens of thousands of victims, and are less corrupt than Mexico.

 

[Ryokan]

But some movement did take place. There are plenty of construction employees who are of East European origin in Sweden. I don't really see the problem with that though.

The same is true for Norway, and I'd suspect most other Western European countries as well. But most of those people come here to work, not to live. Most go back to where they have their families, friends and roots when their work is done.

The difference to illegal immigrants in the US is that although they would probably prefer to do the same, going back home risks them not being able to get back to the US to work again.

Also, Eastern Europe doesn't have a drug war claiming tens of thousands of victims, and are less corrupt than Mexico.

That's a valid point - but not when it comes to the problems of immigration.

 

[INRM]

The problem with these financial unions is that it makes it so easy for one nation to suffer financially and drag everybody else down with them.

 

[L.Y.S.]

People said similar things when it came to admitting Eastern European countries to the EU. Turns out, there was nothing to worry about, the people of those countries didn't en masse pack up their stuff and move to the wealthier Western European countries.

Wasn't in reference to migration but the concentration of population growth. Which is clearly shifting to the south.

That's a valid point - but not when it comes to the problems of immigration.

But this is generally while I was making the statement. America would experience another wave of crime. Something we don't care to relive after the 80s.

 

[INRM]

What I should have said was this...

The beauty of the E.U. and various other unions of this type is that it makes it easier for one nation's economic problems to drag everybody's economies down producing a crisis. And the bankers and economists who instituted these unions are now able to exploit these crises and resulting misery to advance their agendas, which almost always include a world government run by bankers.

Ironically, their agenda requires greater (eventually total) economic centralization: Each time they centralize things, the crises which occur (whether through happenstance, or deliberate action) cause exponentially bigger crises, which they can use to further their agenda even faster.

It is a positive feedback-loop.

 

[L.Y.S.]

What I should have said was this...

The beauty of the E.U. and various other unions of this type is that it makes it easier for one nation's economic problems to drag everybody's economies down producing a crisis. And the bankers and economists who instituted these unions are now able to exploit these crises and resulting misery to advance their agendas, which almost always include a world government run by bankers.

Ironically, their agenda requires greater (eventually total) economic centralization: Each time they centralize things, the crises which occur (whether through happenstance, or deliberate action) cause exponentially bigger crises, which they can use to further their agenda even faster.

It is a positive feedback-loop.

I doubt you have evidence for this and this isn't the conspiracy threads.

 

[egslim]

False, America is not Russia and we would respect the sovereign rights of Canada.

American foreign policy can be summed up as: "We can do whatever we like, and everyone else can either suck it up or be our enemy". Americans only respect other countries' sovereign rights when it suits them.

This would prove useless. The EU was the result of several treaties between European nations to create stability and peace. The same treaties that we and Canada have. There would be no point in Canada joining the EU because they have already formed several treaties with us. The EU should remain in Europe because it was indeed created for Europeans. There is no reason for the EU to expand into our regional space. I can see the useful application for maybe australia.

The benefit for Canada - or for any other country - of joining the EU is the increase in international economic traffic. But Canada is in a unique position to profit from this, because it offers easy access to the American market as well. If Canada were to join the EU, I would expect a lot of European companies to invest in Canada with the goal to enter the American market.

I don't see it happening anytime soon, but if economic unions grow in importance to the point where countries have to be either very large, or part of such a union to avoid becoming economically isolated, then Canada is likely to join one. Joining the EU instead of a North American union would allow Canada to maintain its national identity and have more than symbolic influence.

Australia, on the other hand, is more likely to become part of an East Asian economic union. Those are the countries it has strong economic ties with, and they are too large in number to be dominated by a single member.

 

[Humes fork]

The benefit for Canada - or for any other country - of joining the EU is the increase in international economic traffic. But Canada is in a unique position to profit from this, because it offers easy access to the American market as well. If Canada were to join the EU, I would expect a lot of European companies to invest in Canada with the goal to enter the American market.

But Canada is not a European country by any stretch of imagination. Canada joining the EU is a silly idea.

I don't see it happening anytime soon, but if economic unions grow in importance to the point where countries have to be either very large, or part of such a union to avoid becoming economically isolated, then Canada is likely to join one. Joining the EU instead of a North American union would allow Canada to maintain its national identity and have more than symbolic influence.

But the EU is not only an economic union (you don't need a parliament for that). The EU is becoming a federation - we're not there yet, but that's clearly the direction in which we are heading.

Speaking of it, maybe the US' population size isn't such a hindrance for a North American union after all. In South America, Brazil seems to have a similar position to the US in North America.

Australia, on the other hand, is more likely to become part of an East Asian economic union. Those are the countries it has strong economic ties with, and they are too large in number to be dominated by a single member.

Yes, that makes sense. Or maybe some Oceanic community?

 

[L.Y.S.]

All excellent point Humes. Egilism your sentiment is noted, but misplaced. Maybe he wants a Western Civilization Union? That maybe a lot more practical than Canada joining the EU.