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Yes, they did. Privately and separately.
Challenge to William Rodriguez
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Yes, they did. Privately and separately.
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I have lost any respect I once had for William Rodriguez.
I know if I were a denier I'd much rather take my chances against Ron. (No offense Ron)
Ron, thanks for thinking of me. I'm amused at the idea that I'm the less confrontational 9/11 debunker option.
I know if I were a denier I'd much rather take my chances against Ron. (No offense Ron)
Wow, I had no idea. I guess I was in the "kid gloves" camp with TAM, but I honestly don't know what to think now....the man was a hero on the worst day in my country's history and no one can take that from him - but I have lost alot of respect for him after reading that. I could understand him truly believing what he thinks he witnessed. I think we've all tried rationalizing and trying to make sense of traumatic events that we don't understand, but he's indeed crossed a line.
Didn't Rodriguez drop out of that lawsuit shortly after filing and wasn't Philip Berg the same lawyer that conned a lady into suing George Bush for a RICO violation?
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Yes, as I wrote last night, the few bits that I cited were merely the tip of the proverbial iceberg. It is much worse than the few quotes I posted there.
In fact, tonight, I have been compiling a list of allegations related to numerous conspiracy theories embraced and promoted by William Rodriguez in his lawsuit. It is absolutely staggering and I am only up to page 90 so far. I actually had to take a break just now because I found myself becoming very angry.
Last night, I said that Rodriguez' lawsuit includes almost every single 9/11 conspiracy theory ever uttered by "truthers." It does. It is really quite astounding, and sickening. (For instance, the reference to the photo of Ms. Edna Cintron - not identified by name, as is typical among truthers, but merely as some anonymous "survivor peering out" of the impact zone of the north tower - as "proof" that the fires were not very hot, etc.)
With further reading today, it also appears that Rodriguez' lawsuit also includes conspiracy theories that I had never heard before. For instance, currently number 34 of 88 entries (several of which have several sub-sections) on my incomplete list to date: 34. Newspaper editor, Robert Stevens, was the first of the fatalities in the October 2001 anthrax attacks. Rodriquez asks rhetorically, "Whom had Mr. Stevens offended?" and answers, "The answer is that he had offended the Bush family by [publishing] an embarrassing photograph of the President's daughter, Jenna Bush, appearing tipsy and holding a cigarette while staggering across a dance floor with a female friend in a nightclub"
Another one I had never heard is the astrology/numerology one about the June 2001 NORAD planning exercise named "Amalgam Virgo 01" which involved a hypothetical scenario of a cruise missile launched a barge on the East Coast, and in which, apparently, Osama bin Laden was pictured on the cover of the proposal for the exercise. What does the Rodriguez lawsuit say about this, you ask? "The attacks of 9/11 occurred, of course, while the sun was in the astrological sign of Virgo, in the year "01."
As I said above, I had to stop tonight and take a break from reading it because it is really quite infuriating, and also because the sheer volume of woo is quite overwhelming. But I suspect that when I resume reading it tomorrow, my current list of 88 will grow exponentially.
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Rodriguez was the sole plaintiff in the linked lawsuit, and remained so throughout. Rodriguez' lawsuit claimed all kinds of RICO violations against Bush (and 56 other named defendants and 100 unnamed defendants). I grabbed all of the documents off of PACER today. I'll try to work on posting a summary of how the matter progressed after I get through the list I'm compiling as described in my post above.
Rodriguez' lawsuit is separate and apart from the other, similar, lawsuit that Berg was involved in. I think that the other lawsuit came before the one by Rodriguez. I'm not entirely sure of that, and I will check, but I think that the other lawsuit was mentioned in the defendants' motion to dismiss the Rodriguez suit, and that is what makes me think the other one came first.
Yes the Bush one was before Rodriguez. The PACER docs would definitely be interesting. To be honest though, I am fairly sure Berg had a major hand in most of the stupidity and I believe that is one of the things Rodriguez means by he was used.
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To be clear, the Rodriguez lawsuit is also a "Bush" one. GHW Bush, GW Bush, Jeb Bush, Neil Bush, and Marvin Bush are the first five named defendants. (Your use of the term "the Bush one" to refer to the other lawsuit kind of muddies the waters because it suggests that Rodriguez' lawsuit is not against Bush, but it certainly is.)
Sure, it is possible that Berg may have had a major hand in most of the stupidity, and Rodriguez may very well now claim that he was "used" by Berg (or others). It is equally possible that Rodriguez had the major hand in most of the stupidity and was not "used" at all.
It is possible that Rodriguez does not believe all of the woo to which he willingly ascribed his name.
It is equally possible that Rodrigues does believe all of the woo to which he willingly ascribed his name.
It is possible that Rodriguez does not adopt all of the conspiracy theories to which he willingly ascribed his name.
It is equally possible that Rodriguez does adopt all of the conspiracy theories to which he willing ascribed his name.
It is also possible that Rodriquez did believe all of the woo and adopt all of the conspiracy theories to which he ascribed his name in the past and that he subsequently realized how wrong he was.
It is equally possible that Rodriquez did and still does believe all of the woo and adopt all of the conspiracy theories to which he ascribed his name in the past and that he has never subsequently realized how wrong he was.
It is possible that... well, you get the idea.
Perhaps some day, Mr. Rodriguez will agree to a live interview by a non-truther, agree to answer some straightforward questions that are not pre-arranged or controlled by him or other truthers, and thus set the record straight. IF it requires any straightening.
As it stands at present, the court documents are pretty clear - and are a matter of public record. In the absence of any refutation of them by Mr. Rodriguez to date, well, the records speak for themselves.
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Exactly. William, the ball is in your court.
True and until that date, I prefer neither to believe the stuff coming from either camp about Rodriguez. It is unfortunate that he isn't going to appear on Hardfire because he really could have explained alot of things with no spin from either side.
When I say the Bush one, I am referring to that ladies RICO suit that Berg dreamed up. iI did read Rodriguez original complaint and I must admit Berg is written all over it. Is he still practicing? I wonder why waterboy didn't retain him since Berg is most certainly in the woo camp.
Does LCF know William is after a lot of Does, they could be one of the DOE #1 to DOE #100. He is suing people he has not figured out were in on it.
Our hero wants some money or something. He is also like some of the other truthers telling lies while he tells lies that his not telling lies but is telling lies about how he was taken and used by others.
He is acting so innocent but is suing all those people, including some we don't know yet, for blowing up the WTC? Facts?
Tell me this was thrown out of court for being filled with lies, or the basic lack of evidence. William is a fraud and tells lies about his lies.
After reading all of Williams posts, I have found him to be a fraud. He was a hero. Lucky he did not spend more time being late for work on 9/11 he may of been caught above the impact zone. This is one lucky guy who is not being a truther for unknown reasons.
Our hero wants some money or something. He is also like some of the other truthers telling lies while he tells lies that his not telling lies but is telling lies about how he was taken and used by others.
He is acting so innocent but is suing all those people, including some we don't know yet, for blowing up the WTC? Facts?
Tell me this was thrown out of court for being filled with lies, or the basic lack of evidence. William is a fraud and tells lies about his lies.
After reading all of Williams posts, I have found him to be a fraud. He was a hero. Lucky he did not spend more time being late for work on 9/11 he may of been caught above the impact zone. This is one lucky guy who is not being a truther for unknown reasons.
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I tried to post but it did not allow me to put links since I am a newbie. I asked Enigma if he can please post my answer. Have a nice weekend to all.
Here is a response from Rodriguez himself...
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Dear Lash and Enigma:
You are right, I was very surprised and removed myself from the lawsuit when I read the whole case, it was full of speculation and I did fire Phil Berg.
I did not agree with a lot of things that Enigma rightly says, were put in there by Berg and a group of volunteers from all over that after I removed myself, wrote to me constantly and even appeared on some of my presentations to make me change my mind and return to the lawsuit.
Last I heard from PB was that he was trying to get a First Responder to become part of the lawsuit and re-file. Funny thing is that Iam very involved with them.....
Here is a link from last year: http://www.911blogger.com/node/2811
It says: William Rodriguez wants everyone to know that he is longer associated with Phil Berg's RICO lawsuit.
Phil Berg's website here:
http://www.911forthetruth.com/
The site is still seeking donations, but Mr. Rodriguez does not have access to the funds, nor does he know how they are used. Just passing this message along from Rodriguez.
Up to today, the site is still up. i sent many emails to Mr. Berg to remove me from it and to bring the site down. He hasn't. Maybe he is still taking donations? Ellen Mariani was also another dissatisfied "customer".
I understand many things attributed to me, when I took steps to rectify, was not documented widely. People like Greg Zsymansky from AFP-wrote exagerated items, so Christopher Bollyn, ther were both fired from AFP.
Bye for the next week.
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Dear Lash and Enigma:
You are right, I was very surprised and removed myself from the lawsuit when I read the whole case, it was full of speculation and I did fire Phil Berg.
I did not agree with a lot of things that Enigma rightly says, were put in there by Berg and a group of volunteers from all over that after I removed myself, wrote to me constantly and even appeared on some of my presentations to make me change my mind and return to the lawsuit.
Last I heard from PB was that he was trying to get a First Responder to become part of the lawsuit and re-file. Funny thing is that Iam very involved with them.....
Here is a link from last year: http://www.911blogger.com/node/2811
It says: William Rodriguez wants everyone to know that he is longer associated with Phil Berg's RICO lawsuit.
Phil Berg's website here:
http://www.911forthetruth.com/
The site is still seeking donations, but Mr. Rodriguez does not have access to the funds, nor does he know how they are used. Just passing this message along from Rodriguez.
Up to today, the site is still up. i sent many emails to Mr. Berg to remove me from it and to bring the site down. He hasn't. Maybe he is still taking donations? Ellen Mariani was also another dissatisfied "customer".
I understand many things attributed to me, when I took steps to rectify, was not documented widely. People like Greg Zsymansky from AFP-wrote exagerated items, so Christopher Bollyn, ther were both fired from AFP.
Bye for the next week.
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Sorry, but Rodriguez never "removed himself from the lawsuit" as far as the law is concerned. He launched his suit in October 2004, and the evidence shows that even after the case was transferred in early 2005 to NY (despite Rodriguez' attempts to prevent it from being transferred from PA to NY, where Berg was not licensed to practice and had to obtain permission to argue the motion to dismiss that was brought there after the transfer), Rodriguez kept him on as counsel and continued to try to further his case in NY after the transfer.
In early 2006, Rodriquez swore an affidavit in support of his resistance to the government's motion to dismiss his action in NY, in which he reiterated his belief in the numerous conspiracy theories that formed the basis of his lawsuit.
Rodriguez did not distance himself from Berg, even according to the link Rodriguez sent to Enigma, until after the lawsuit was dismissed by the NY court. The defendants' motion to dismiss was granted in NY on June 26, 2006, dismissing his claims against The United States of America, Department of Homeland Security and FEMA, and Rodriguez had until July 7, 2006 to show cause why his lawsuit should not be dismissed as against all of the other defendants as well. He did not do so and an order dismissing his claim against all defendants was issued on July 17, 2006.
In the link provided, Rodriguez posted - in September 2006 - that his lawsuit had not been dismissed at all.
That is not true. As noted above, his claims were dismissed on June 26, 2006, as against the only defendants whom he had served with his lawsuit, and on July 17, 2006 his claims were dismissed as against all remaining defendants. (Nor is it true that he is the "Last Survivor of the North Tower" as he refers to himself in his post).
Of course, it is open to William to provide documentation to prove his assertions; it is open to him to back up his claim that he "fired" Berg prior to that; it is open to him to provide documentation that he objected to the claims made in his own lawsuit prior to it being dismissed by the NY court less than a year ago in July 2006; it is open to him to explain when he "read the whole case" for the first time; it is open to him to set out which of the myriad of conspiracy theories asserted in his lawsuit - and in his sworn affidavit in 2006 - that he currently supports or does not support, etc.
It is open to him to provide evidence of anything he wishes to refute the public record, but so far he has not done so. It is open to him to agree to a live interview by a non-truther, without pre-set, pre-fab questions, etc.
It is open to him to provide evidence to "set the record straight" if he feels that he has been maligned by the public record to which he has ascribed his name, including the affidavits that he signed and swore were true. It is open to him to say that when he swore to the truth of his affidavits that he didn't really mean it, or whatever he wishes to now say.
So far, though, he has not addressed any of this in any meaningful fashion.
So, I will repeat, as it stands at present, the court documents are pretty clear - and are a matter of public record. In the absence of any refutation of them by Mr. Rodriguez to date, well, the records speak for themselves.