Challenge to William Rodriguez

Arkan_Wolfshade said:
Perhaps I am just being curmudgeonly this morning, but unless WR saw an explosive device, there is little he can contribute to the events of that day aside from anecdotal evidence of what he experienced. His actions that day are not relevant to a discussion of the facts. His actions since that day are not relevant to a discussion of the facts.
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It's certainly tempting to dismiss the claims just as that- even if he's correct about hearing the explosions, it's not unusual. Unfortunately, he's sort of a poster-child for the conspiracy movement, so I don't think it's quite sufficient to just say that he's uninvolved in the debate... although it is accurate, I don't think it satisfies anyone.

Of course, if he chooses to dodge the debate altogether, there's not much that can be done in regards to the relevance or accuracy of his claims.
 
I think from now on any time anyone mentions "William Rodriguez" in a 9/11-related discussion I'm just going to post them extracts from his lawsuit.

-Gumboot
 
Summary

It would be presumptuous to suggest that any of you require hints from me to follow this discussion. Permit me, however, to summarize what has been established so far:

I sent William Rodriguez an invitation to appear as a guest on 'Hardfire.'

I posted that invitation on the JREF, in the conspiracy forum.

Rodriguez sent me an acceptance of the invitation followed, twenty minutes later, by a withdrawal of his acceptance.

He claims that he withdrew because my posting the invitation here somehow insulted him.

I responded to what I regarded, and continue to regard, as disingenuous behavior on his part by stating that Rodriguez has shown himself (to me, at least) to be a self-promoting phony.

Rodriguez continues to act offended.

I resolved the impasse by offering to drop out of the picture and allow Rodriguez to be interviewed by Mark Roberts, a man who he professes to like.

We are still waiting to learn why Rodriguez rejects this offer.

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Now, have I got anything wrong? Am I being unfair to Rodriguez?
 
I dunno, me personally, I think perhaps he suspects alterior motives on our parts, in getting him to speak.

I personally have no desire to watch anyone berate him or try to coax him into saying certain things. I suspect this is what he is worried about...I could be wrong.

The thing is, I don't think that was any of our intentions, not yours Ron, not Marks, and certainly noone here.

I was merely hoping he would agree to a one on one interview with you or Mark, where you could ask him about his entire story, to try and set the record straight...thats it.

TAM:)
 
pomeroo said:
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Now, have I got anything wrong? Am I being unfair to Rodriguez?
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no. the sequence of events last night was bizarre, as was the contradictory nature of his posts. it is my opinion that, during the exchange of words here and in the LC forum, he was counseled and instructed to not proceed as he originally intended.
 
T.A.M. said:
I was merely hoping he would agree to a one on one interview with you or Mark, where you could ask him about his entire story, to try and set the record straight...thats it.

TAM:)
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Have you read the extracts from his lawsuit?

-Gumboot
 
T.A.M. said:
I dunno, me personally, I think perhaps he suspects alterior motives on our parts, in getting him to speak.

I personally have no desire to watch anyone berate him or try to coax him into saying certain things. I suspect this is what he is worried about...I could be wrong.

The thing is, I don't think that was any of our intentions, not yours Ron, not Marks, and certainly noone here.

I was merely hoping he would agree to a one on one interview with you or Mark, where you could ask him about his entire story, to try and set the record straight...thats it.

TAM:)
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TAM, I'm inclined to agree that he is suspicious of our motives. His suspicions are grounded in his awareness of his own behavior. He knows that he's allowed himself to become an icon to people whose motives can be most charitably described as misguided.

He should understand something about the show he was invited to appear on: it has a track record. I have made a practice of treating my guests with respect. A person can come on 'Hardfire' secure in the knowledge that he will not suffer verbal abuse from either me or Mark. Rodriguez was not walking into an ambush designed to humiliate him. I believe that my on-air behavior speaks for itself, and my harshest critics would be forced to concede that I do not insult my guests.
 
soundaddicted said:
Yes. Which makes the desire to see the janitor testify on TV even more bizarre.
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Agreed. For everyone's info, of the more than 1,200 interviews conducted by the 9/11 commission, only 136 were done in public. William's claim that his was the only interview to be held "behind closed doors" is false.

Ron, thanks for thinking of me. I'm amused at the idea that I'm the less confrontational 9/11 debunker option. ;)

In a day or two I'll be done with a paper that I will send to William for his response. I'll reserve any further comments until then.
 
Gravy said:
In a day or two I'll be done with a paper that I will send to William for his response. I'll reserve any further comments until then.
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You clearly issued this announcement to coincide with Dylan Avery's announcement of an upcoming LCFC teaser trailer, so as to distract attention away from the Truth Movement.

DISINFO!

-Gumboot
 
T.A.M. said:
I have not...but maybe I should...is there a link?

TAM:)
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See here.

I have to say, I'm thoroughly disappointed.

-Gumboot

ETA... I've just been reading the actual lawsuit, which Lash has now linked to. It gets worse. It gets much much worse. He even manages to include the Anthrax attacks. And one of the defendants he is filing against is: The United States of America.

ETA2... ugh... it gets worse...

Mr Rodriguez's Lawsuit said:
32. Against the criminals who have hijacked not just four airplanes but the government of
the United States, and who have virtually unlimited financial and other resources at their
disposal, stands a solitary American hero — whose valor shone brightly on that day, as
defendants were flown hither and yon, and skulked in “undisclosed secure locations.” Plaintiff
has continued to shine in his selfless, unpaid efforts to relieve the suffering of the victims, as the
defendants have launched wars and inflicted measureless suffering, to benefit themselves and
their cronies.
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Mr Rodriguez, if you are reading this, I hope you are ashamed of yourself for making the above remarks. Hundreds of people stood up as heroes on 9/11. Hundreds. Many of them gave their lives that others might live. Of all the still-living heroes, you alone have declared your heroic status to the world, and demanded attention because of it. Now you make to deny the heroism of the silent legions that stood beside you that day.

Disgusting.

Shame on you, Mr Rodriguez. Shame on you.
 
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holy cow...he is full blown truther...

9/11 hero yes, but also, unfortunately, misguided by the lies of the nutbars.

TAM:)
 
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