Challenge to William Rodriguez

[pomeroo]

I have no idea. It is not me doing the travelling. I know people do have tight schedules, families and sometimes people just don't want to go the distance. I have no clue as to what each persons individual reason is. In fact, travel is certainly not the problem in Mr Rodriguezs case.

I am growing weary hearing about how everyone is scared to face Mr Wieck on his show 'Hardfire.' Mr Rodriguez also must be scared, as he is apparantly looking for an escape route.

What is he escaping exactly?

He is escaping the hard questions about his behavior since he displayed such heroism over five years ago.

Either way - the suggestion that he is somehow a 'fraud' is quite nasty.[/

I am saying specifically that pretending to accept an invitation to appear on 'Hardfire' only to withdraw twenty minutes later, for reasons that are unfathomable, is the behavior of a charlatan.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

pomeroo, please clean up the quote-reply, quote-reply system you have going there. Very post-modern, but messy as hell!

 

[FactCheck]

I'm at a lost to explain why Mr. Rodriguez can't use this forum/opportunity to clear the air. The lack or clarity leads one to draw their own conclusions.

I find it interesting that one of his main gripes is that the administration isn't being forthright with information. A criticism I share. Yet when pressed for information he becomes the very thing he criticizes. I wish I could say I'm shocked.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Ron,
Perhaps the posting of the invite here was a little ill-timed? Don't we have a rather lengthy (and funny) thread on posting announcements about making forthcoming announcements?

I, for one, agree with Enigma's suggestion. An interview would be sufficient, and would likely be an environment a little more amenable to William. I, for one, would like to see him set some of the records straight.

Yes, he makes some outlandish claims, and therefore should be held to account for explaining those, but much of what he espouses is conjecture and opinion, and I believe a one-off interview(*) would allow him to clarify much of that.

* I use the term "interview" under advice of council with the following disclaimer: You are admittedly partisan. Therefore a "pointed" interview, knowing already your subjectivity would cover very nicely in lieu of a debate.

Just my .02

 

[Hyperviolet]

Really? Why would you use the word "coward" unless you were attempting to portray me as denigrating Rodriguez's courage?

The point is because he is obviously isn't some scared kid. We all know this. The insinuation that he was running for an escape route is simply inaccurate. That determined my choice of words. Ron, i know you do not deny his courage nor does the JREF community. This is exactly the reason why we should not be jumping to the conclusion that his refusal is somehow down to fear of a real debate.





Well, your point is well taken. These internet "debates" tend to produce sloppy writing habits. Fast writing is usually bad writing. I know I fall into the habit of employing stock phrases much too often. It does get tiresome to refer constantly to "fantasists" and "conspiracy liars" (although I must confess that I love the phrase). I am, incidentally, a nice man. Ask my dogs.

Well, i do confess it is hard to read people on the net. Words can be read very differently than they are spoken. I am sure you are a nice man, your dogs are not needed in this case





I've never suggested that these guys fear me. I think that they fear Mark, and they should.

I agree here. Mark is simply astounding in his knowledge. Though, again, i absolutely do not think Mr Rodriguez is scared to sit down and chat with him. In fact, it seems they have met and the meeting was pleasant for both.





The fantasists fear debate, period. They are comfortable endlessly recycling debunked myths to uncritical audiences. I understood Mike Berger when he told me that he lives too far from NYC to appear on the show. My impression was that William Rodriguez lives here.

The travel thing was not directed towards Mr Rodriguez, as an NYC local that is obviously not a problem. The comment was a generalisation to those who may also not have accepted your show from reasons as such... and not through fear. Example being, the one you just named, Mike Berger.

I apologise if my tone in this thread was abrupt.

Edit : Excuse my poor internet skills. This response is quite tricky to read.

 

[WildCat]

I'm at a lost to explain why Mr. Rodriguez can't use this forum/opportunity to clear the air. The lack or clarity leads one to draw their own conclusions.

We were mean to him, so the TRUTH behind the deaths of 3,000 innocent people in the US and untold thousasnds in Afghanistan and Iraq will have to wait until his fragile emotional state can be mended.

 

[Hyperviolet]

When were you pdoh? You aren't as stupid...that is certain but you might have MPD

I am not as stupid
Haha thanks man!

I was suspected as p'doh in my first few posts because of my CT tinged views. The mark of woo was in waiting... or so i was told.

 

[Slayhamlet]

Well, I must say I'm disappointed this fell through. I would really like to hear exactly what Mr. Rodriguez's perceptions were of what happened that horrible day and how he has reached the conclusions that he has about it. A televised interview would seem the ideal format, so that his words can't be so easily twisted by either side. And it also has the benefit that, as a video clip that can be uploaded on youtube, perhaps "truthers" will give it more credence than they do the written word, viz. the testimony of firefighters concerning WT7.

 

[FactCheck]

We were mean to him, so the TRUTH behind the deaths of 3,000 innocent people in the US and untold thousasnds in Afghanistan and Iraq will have to wait until his fragile emotional state can be mended.

That's actually the first thing about his reply that jumped out at me.

 

[FactCheck]

We'll always have his youtube lectures...

 

[Undesired Walrus]

See, I knew this wouldn't take long
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8351

Hello you little truthers! I am a JREF forum member, but I didn't call William either one of those things! So, do you want to change your title to add a 'bar one' on the end, or will you get rid of your childish 'they are all the same' brigade?

Or, how about that little thread I brought you up on the other day, ykno, where you wanted to phone up a victims partner and harrass him about his dead boyfriend? Can you sink any lower than that?

 

[Calcas]

Interesting thread.

And, to those unaware, "j911ob" in the lc thread posted above IS P'Duh.

 

[Slayhamlet]

See, I knew this wouldn't take long
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=8351

Hello you little truthers! I am a JREF forum member, but I didn't call William either one of those things! So, do you want to change your title to add a 'bar one' on the end, or will you get rid of your childish 'they are all the same' brigade?

Or, how about that little thread I brought you up on the other day, ykno, where you wanted to phone up a victims partner and harrass him about his dead boyfriend? Can you sink any lower than that?

From that thread:

They are going to have to try REALLY hard to ignore the truth once LCFC is released. Their heads might pop.

I can't wait to be blown away by it!

 

[~enigma~]

I am not as stupid
Haha thanks man!

I was suspected as p'doh in my first few posts because of my CT tinged views. The mark of woo was in waiting... or so i was told.

Well suspicions flare quick but I can pretty much declare your not pdoh because you speak coherently and all he can do is ad hom.

 

[T.A.M.]

Ron:

Perhaps with some additional correspondence with Mr. Rodriguez, an interview with him, one on one, can be salvaged. I think to get an honest, frank discussion going with him would be well worth while.

As suggested earlier, he does not deserve our anger or wrath. I know people here will say he should have a stronger skin, but why should he.

I have not seen Mr. Rodriguez arguing on behalf of the truth movement, though his words and statements have been used by them. Perhaps he has spoken at some of their meetings, I do not know.

Mr. Rodriguez:

What Walrus has said is true. Unlike the truth movement, we will not cherrypick your comments and then turn them around to favor our argument.

I wish you would reconsider and take part in a candid, pointed interview with Ron...It will certainly give you an sure fire (hardfire) way to clear any air you wish to clear.

TAM

 

[~enigma~]

Interesting thread.

And, to those unaware, "j911ob" in the lc thread posted above IS P'Duh.

Yes and all LCF is being told every chance I get to address the little weasel.

 

[Foolmewunz]

From that thread:


I can't wait to be blown away by it!

Awww.... Poor Chucksheen. Isn't that sweet. He's like the peanut gallery over at the Steorn site. "Golly, Mr. Peepers, I can't wait until (LCFC comes out/Orbo is proven to be OE), it'll just show those pesky skeptics!"

 

[T.A.M.]

It should be renamed "Vague" Change, as I am pretty sure it is gonna be 90% show, 10% meat. it will make LC:2E look like a scathing nailing of the govt to the wall.

TAM

 

[Undesired Walrus]

I can't wait to be blown away by it!

 

[LashL]

Mr. Rodriguez,

Let's try a slightly different approach.

I can't figure out what you're supposed to be offended by, but I won't press you for an explanation.

I will apologize for whatever I did and renew my offer to let you tell your story.

That should be sufficient for William to come around and to realize that Ron is sincere in his efforts to give William a public forum in which to express himself without worry of his words being "twisted" or edited or manipulated.

I would think that having the entire interview taped - and, presumably, Ron would certainly allow William to have his own cameras there if he wishes, as he has done in the past with the Loose Changers - so William can be assured that nobody can "misquote" him, nobody can "twist" his words, etc.

It is the perfect opportunity for William to set the record straight about the numerous inconsistent statements that have been attributed to him the past, after all, in a setting that nobody could ever claim he was merely "preaching to the choir", in a setting that nobody could ever claim he was merely "controlling the message", etc.

This is a terrific opportunity for William to have his story heard without cherry picking, without slant, and without manipulation.

One would think he would leap at the opportunity if he has the courage of his convictions.