Challenge to CIT

[uk_dave]

And TC is back, asking about security video? WHY? Shouldn't you go back to the CIT clubhouse and figure out what you are going to do now that your flyover theory is completely busted?

That's exactly what they are doing, hence the question about the cctv.

They'll probably also try to concentrate on shanksville now.

 

[uruk]

I love how CIT attacks YOU and YOU get banned for "instigating".

What hypocrites LCF's mods are.

And here's the thing. If it wasn't for us "skeptics" posting in those threads they would have practically no activity at all.

 

[TC329]

Where's Aldo??

Then he states this:
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http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=65403&t=214463

Again you are a proven liar as Aldo did not say that and now I know what your name is at LCF. Thanks.

 

[TC329]

bump

It's been answered 20 times over to people more noteworthy than you.

 

[A W Smith]

What about Morin, The south of Citgo witness? Does that not trouble you Dom? Interesting that JFK had to move the impact point north on the pentagon facade with his illustration in an attempt to prove Morin could not see it from his vantage point at the security booth.

 

[TC329]

What about Morin, The south of Citgo witness?

Please show proof that Morin said that the plane was on the South side of the Citgo station or admit you are inventing a lie to support the Bush Administrations fairy tale.

 

[A W Smith]

Please show proof that Morin said that the plane was on the South side of the Citgo station or admit you are inventing a lie to support the Bush Administrations fairy tale.

Morin describes a flight path that can only be south of the Citgo. You know this very well Dom. it is an inconvenience for your fantasy. The Citgo is not visible from the security shack yet Morin states he saw the impact fireball and the wings dip below the trees with the tail visible. You KNOW what this means Dom? Are you calling Morin a liar? Come on Dom. come out and say it. Say it like you did with all the other witnesses who don't fit your pre conceived AGENDA DRIVEN (see bolding above) fantasy. Your not a COWARD are you Dom? why not redefine the word parallel for us Dom? the word Morin used to describe the flight path in relation to the Annex.

 

[GlennB]

Please show proof that Morin said that the plane was on the South side of the Citgo station or admit you are inventing a lie to support the Bush Administrations fairy tale.

TC329 - a while back you were obsessing about people's real names. I asked you yours and you didn't reply. Care to?

Meanwhile ... if Morin didn't actually mention the Citgo station at all, your request - taken literally - seems to place you in the convenient (though logically feeble) position where nobody can prove you wrong. Which is the way "truthers" seem to work, that is - demand proof that isn't available to anybody. It might provide you with a little emotional refuge but it doesn't cut much ice in the big ol' world out there. It's childish, in fact.

Meanwhile ... as a NoC supporter perhaps you could help out here ... your CIT buddies have been asked countless times to provide any NoC flightpath that doesn't conflict with the principles of known aeronautical physics. They have ducked this very reasonable request every time. Can you do better? What could be easier? Provide one NoC flightpath that doesn't conflict with the laws of physics. I'm assuming you will spew some gibberish in response about "shills" or "6-time corroborated eye-witness tesimony" or "Bush supporters" or somesuch. I'm assuming you won't actually provide any figures. Maybe you could shock us all and meet this very simple challenge, head-on ??

 

[Par]

Please show proof that Morin said that the plane was on the South side of the Citgo station or admit you are inventing a lie...

You were proven to be a liar earlier in this very thread. Here it is again if anyone missed it:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3651585&postcount=696

 

[TC329]

Morin describes a flight path that can only be south of the Citgo. You know this very well Dom. it is an inconvenience for your fantasy.

No I don't. Morin says the plane flew directly over the Navy Annex. When did this happen in the official story A W?

Sean Boger said he saw the plane come over the Navy Annex and approach the Pentagon on the North side of the Citgo station.

Who had a better view of the Citgo and the plane Morin or Boger, A W?

The Citgo is not visible from the security shack yet Morin states he saw the impact fireball and the wings dip below the trees with the tail visible.

Wow you just admit Morin in not in a position to see the Citgo A W and yet you claim to have attributed him seeing it on the South side of the gas station that you admit he cannot see. Impressive researching A W.

You KNOW what this means Dom? Are you calling Morin a liar? Come on Dom. come out and say it. Say it like you did with all the other witnesses who don't fit your pre conceived AGENDA DRIVEN (see bolding above) fantasy. Your not a COWARD are you Dom? why not redefine the word parallel for us Dom? the word Morin used to describe the flight path in relation to the Annex.

I'm not calling him a liar. I have no reason to believe he saw something happened and intentionally stated something else happened. I have not spoke with the man. Why don't you contact him? He's not hard to locate. It took me less than a minute.

 

[Arus808]

Please show proof that Morin said that the plane was on the South side of the Citgo station or admit you are inventing a lie to support the Bush Administrations fairy tale.

and why would Morin use Citgo as a reference? He was near the guard shack, on the south side of the annex. You, know that big building that would have blocked his view of the citgo station.

 

[A W Smith]

I will make this easy for you Dom. Quoted below is Morin's eyewitness account. Show us where the NOC flight path is even a possibility in his description. keeping in mind his vantage point is a few steps away from the security shack.
http://www.coping.org/911/survivor/pentagon.htm

The Attack

I had just reached the elevator in the 5th Wing of BMDO/Federal Office Building (FOB) #2 – call it approximately 9:36 AM. I was already trying to make some sense out of the World Trade Tower attacks having heard about them on the radio. The news was sketchy, but the fact that it was a terrorist attack was already known. I then realized that I was wearing sunglasses and needed to go back to Lot 3 to retrieve my clear lenses. Since it was by no means a short walk to my car, I was upset with myself for being so distracted. Approximately 10 steps out from between Wings 4 and 5, I was making a gentle right turn towards the security check-in building just above Wing 4 when I became aware of something unusual. I can’t remember exactly what I was thinking about at that moment, but I started to hear an increasingly loud rumbling behind me and to my left. As I turned to my left, I immediately realized the noise was bouncing off the 4-story structure that was Wing 5. One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. I instantly had a very bad feeling about this but things were happening very quickly. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB). Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn’t be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities.

Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon. There was a large explosion noise and the low frequency sound echo that comes with this type of sound. Associated with that was the increase in air pressure, momentarily, like a small gust of wind. For those formerly in the military, it sounded like a 2000lb bomb going off roughly ½ mile in front of you. At once there was a huge cloud of black smoke that rose several hundred feet up. Elapsed time from hearing the initial noise to when I saw the impact flash was between 12 and 15 seconds.

 

[TC329]

TC329 - a while back you were obsessing about people's real names. I asked you yours and you didn't reply. Care to?

If you understand the basics of search engines I'm sure even an armchair researcher like you might be able to locate the answer, Mr. "B".

 

[TC329]

and why would Morin use Citgo as a reference? He was near the guard shack, on the south side of the annex. You, know that big building that would have blocked his view of the citgo station.

When is the plane above the Navy Annex in the official version of the story?

 

[A W Smith]

No I don't. Morin says the plane flew directly over the Navy Annex. When did this happen in the official story A W?

Sean Boger said he saw the plane come over the Navy Annex and approach the Pentagon on the North side of the Citgo station.

Who had a better view of the Citgo and the plane Morin or Boger, A W?

At the annex? Morin was closer to the plane obviously! It was right over him as described!

Wow you just admit Morin in not in a position to see the Citgo A W and yet you claim to have attributed him seeing it on the South side of the gas station that you admit he cannot see. Impressive researching A W.

Describe the posistion of the line in this illustration. is this line north or south of the Citgo?

I'm not calling him a liar. I have no reason to believe he saw something happened and intentionally stated something else happened. I have not spoke with the man. Why don't you contact him? He's not hard to locate. It took me less than a minute.

It took you less than a minute and .. what did he say? Did he hang up on you?

 

[TC329]

Describe the posistion of the line in this illustration. is this line north or south of the Citgo?

1) Did Terry Morin draw that?

2) Would you like his number before you continue running your mouth?

 

[Arus808]

When is the plane above the Navy Annex in the official version of the story?

thanks for not addressing my question:

Why would MORIN use CITGO as a point of reference? He was on the South side of the annex near the guard shack. You know, the building that would block his view of the CITGO station.

Please answer this question, and not with a question. I wasn't asking about the Official report. I was asking why you think Morin would use CITGO as a point of reference. STICK to the question and stop dodging

 

[A W Smith]

1) Did Terry Morin draw that?

2) Would you like his number before you continue running your mouth?

I don't need to bother Morin to expose a handful of fools.
Answer the question. Compare that line with terry Morin's description.
or go up a few posts and show that Morin's quoted description in any way supports a NOC flight path. here is terry Morin's line of sight.
is this line north or south of the Citgo?

 

[The Big Dog]

"Wow you just admit Morin in not in a position to see the Citgo A W and yet you claim to have attributed him seeing it on the South side of the gas station that you admit he cannot see. Impressive researching A W."

It is this kind of specatular failure of logic that makes the CIT the laughing stock of the Twoof movement!

A. morin describes a path parrallel to the South side of the annex.

B. The south side of the annex is entirely south of the Citgo

C. Any path parrallel with the outside of the annex and visible to Morin must be South of the Citgo.

therefore: the path was South of citgo.

C'mon TC, your boy Aldo of the CIT just threw your whole "flyover" theory under the bus, shouldn't you and the boys be busy picking up the scraps of your lives?

 

[Mr.Herbert]

Again you are a proven liar as Aldo did not say that and now I know what your name is at LCF. Thanks.

NO... you proved I made a mistake. I saw the CIT and assumed it was Aldo...

But it was you that stated this if you are Dom)

CIT presents evidence that leads to one of two possible conclusions :

1) A plane flew over the Navy Annex to the North side of the Citgo station and over the Pentagon.

2) A plane flew over the Navy Annex to the North side of the Citgo station and into the Pentagon.

Aldo stated:

Aldo Marquis CITApr 25 2008, 10:36 AMBecause we don't promote a "flyover theory". We promote evidence that proves the plane could not have hit the building or the light poles.

Looks like there is going to be a fight in your tree fort tonight.