Challenge to CIT

[pomeroo]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/43429/1/

In this post, Aldo says that Morin would not return their calls. So apparently, they've never spoken to him.

I guess it's easier to spin someone's words when they won't defend themselves.

"Hi, I'm a low-IQ thug who wants to piss on the graves of the jihadists' victims and smear innocent people as murderers. I'm peddling an insane fabrication, based on nothing, about Flight 77 heading straight toward the Pentagon and then pulling up at the last second, something that absolutely nobody claims to have witnessed, for the excellent reason that it never happened. I want to use your account of that terrible day to twist your words, force you to appear to say something you don't believe, and, in general, make you look almost as ridiculous and deranged as I do.
Please get back to me."

 

[jaydeehess]

I believe Waldo claims that Morin was between the wings of the annex, so now Waldo claims that Morin was WRONG with . . . I do not know, everything, I guess.

I do like how SP claims that it went over Annex, BELOW THE TREE LINE, and then OVER the Pentagon. That pilot must have been smashed flat as a bug given the G's they were pulling on that Maneuver!

These guys are delusional.

[CIT]What pilot?[/CIT]

It was the sooper-sekrit, area 51, alien tech, free-zero-point energy craft all decked out to look like a 757. In point of fact, the CiT have it wrong only on one point. The craft actually flew under the Pentagon by vibrating its elementary particles such that it slipped through solid earth and reappeared just west of Bermuda.

Reheat posts;

As I read his statement the aircraft would have been over Columbia Pike and at no time directly over the Annex simply because he could not have seen it as long as he indicates. In that he saw the flash and saw the aircraft or it's tail, it appears to me this is direct support for the "Official" Flight Path. Anyone disagree with this analysis?

That's how I interpret his statement that it was parallel to the building, which would then preclude it ever being NoC.

 

[TheGrunion]

Well, if you're desperate to salvage a fantasy, I suppose misinterpreting words is one way toward that end.

The other major point along these same lines is that what they label as the Security Check-in appears to be a cargo container of some type. For those of you who work in Federal Buildings, is it normal to have a Security Check point INSIDE the complex or wouldn't it be right at the walkway entrance into the complex surrounded by a fence? That's a rhetorical question to which I already know the answer.

I worked in the Pentagon from 2001 to 2005. I've been in the Navy Annex Bldg. several times. You have accurately depicted the location of the Security Checkpoint. Craig and Aldo raised this issue back in '06 when they were Mods on the old LC forum. Back then I tried explaining to them that a security checkpoint needs to be tied into the secure perimeter in order to function properly.

 

[jaydeehess]

http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/topic/43429/1/

In this post, Aldo says that Morin would not return their calls. So apparently, they've never spoken to him.

I guess it's easier to spin someone's words when they won't defend themselves.

We can only take Aldo's word for that of course. If one were of a paranoid bent then one might suspect that Morin did return their calls and was taped by the CiT explaining that he was standing past the outer edge of the building and could indeed see at least the tail of the plane after the fuselage went below his line of sight all the way until the fireball erupted and that as it passed overhead it was running parallel to Columbia Pike and the (south? ) wall of the Annex.
[spooky music]think about it ,,, just asking questions here[/spooky music]

 

[The Big Dog]

Craig and Aldo raised this issue back in '06 when they were Mods on the old LC forum. Back then I tried explaining to them that a security checkpoint needs to be tied into the secure perimeter in order to function properly.

Wow, not only did they misrepresent his location, but they knew better? That is simply lying, CIT.

I do get a kick out of Lyte posting the same pictures over and over though. I always think, "yeah, that guy said it hit the pentagon... yeah, that guy said it hit the pentagon... yeah, that guy WAS in the pentagon and said it hit the pentagon."

These guys have no clue how foolish they are.

Anyway, still waiting for the flight path, boys.....

 

[jaydeehess]

I worked at a Transport Canada hanger and the security checkpoint was just inside the door of an extended entryway. That is to say the glassed in checkpoint extended past the wall of the hanger.

Another Transport Canada shop had the securitiy check point at the entrance to the secure area which was within the building. One passed through public areas first to get to the security checkpoint. In both cases I picked up my photo ID tag at the checkpoint.

 

[TheGrunion]

Wow, not only did they misrepresent his location, but they knew better? That is simply lying, CIT.

I do get a kick out of Lyte posting the same pictures over and over though. I always think, "yeah, that guy said it hit the pentagon... yeah, that guy said it hit the pentagon... yeah, that guy WAS in the pentagon and said it hit the pentagon."

These guys have no clue how foolish they are.

Anyway, still waiting for the flight path, boys.....

Yup, they sure did. Here's a link to the discussion on the original LC Forum. The discussion picks up about 1/2 way down the page.http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12857&st=60

 

[The Big Dog]

From the LC:

"You guys have put together an amazing puzzle making an unbelievable yet undeniable picture. Please draw something so I can duh-bunk it and claim all your witnesses are liars / misremembering / hallucinating and that you guys are trying to hawk some dvd's."

Uhhh, they all say the plane hit the pentagon. I do get a kick out of them responding to our request for something substantive by stating that "Why, you guys will just debunk it." Hilarious!

CIT has officially broken through that barrier of delusional woo that takes them into Dr. Judy land.

 

[Reheat]

Yup, they sure did. Here's a link to the discussion on the original LC Forum.http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12857&st=60

So, they knew in the fall of 2006 about the correct location of that Security Check Point! I see someone also correctly plotted Morin's position. Also, someone plotted a path parallel to the building. What that means is that a year and a half later we are rehashing the same crapola with the same spin.

I have to keep asking myself, who on the face of this earth buys their tripe?

The stupid not only burns it is utterly numbing and it's getting worse and worse!

 

[PhantomWolf]

I have to keep asking myself, who on the face of this earth buys their tripe?

Well if you go by polls, not even a lot of Truthers:

61. Which of the above videos that you've seen would you be least likely to recommend to others? Top choice: The Pentacon, 29%

 

[Bobert]

Man they have been arguing like kids in a sandbox for almost 2 years now!

 

[LashL]

Yup, they sure did. Here's a link to the discussion on the original LC Forum. The discussion picks up about 1/2 way down the page.http://z15.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=12857&st=60

That's priceless. Merc (Aldo), after first - weakly - disputing your input about the location of the location of the security checkpoint that you have personally utilized a dozen times, then says,

Ok whatever. Still not definitive. But whatever. Thanks for your opinion.

So, the actual, physical location of a security station is a matter of "opinion" now????

Then, on the next page:

Yes, your opinion was noted and there was no further need for discussion in the matter. At this point, this is a developed debate and discussion between seasoned members. If you can please refrain from comments it would be appreciated, unless you have something vital to add. We would rather not lock this thread out to read only and approved members only.

Poor Aldo, he can't let pesky facts get in the way so he threatens to hide the thread to make it inaccessible to readers? Unbelievable.

And absolutely hilarious.

Especially in light of the photos posted by Pickering that show that you were, of course, absolutely right:

 

[Bobert]

Ooooooh Craig is going over the deep end:
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=61052&t=208529

For those that are making a big deal about this image being off they are wrong.

This dude has 2 images that CLEARLY dont match but is ok with using them to make a point.
Craig will do ANYTHING and say he is right no matter what.
He is INSANE!
LOL!

 

[The Big Dog]

Well, over at LC, the knuckleheads have dropped the claim that their witness was between the wings of the annex.

Over here? Well they were completely destroyed by a poster showing that they were totally destroyed over at the old LC board a couple of years ago.

Wonder when old JFK is going to wise up and ban those stooges like they did at the old LC board.

Not anytime soon, Reichsmarshall JFK just banned DGM for saying: "Anything you say. The tail not the plane I guess. Keep spinning your own witness it fun to watch you guys implode."

Clowns.

Anyway, CIT, as the kids say: you were OWNED. By the way, any time you want to supply your calculations, fine by me.

 

[beachnut]

http://vid47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myphotos1960/Terry_Morin.flv

Rob has done a video, but forgot to put the Pentagon in. I think you can see the Pentagon from where their Morin was, who they will use for NoC and also say he is wrong, at the same time. It is like their logic was made for my writing skills.

Things for CIT to study, parallel, and over.

Craig's messed up line from Paik, who really points to the impact point at the Pentagon.

Craig, North becomes less and less north (soon to be south). Witesses for NoC continue to make paths impossible, even non-paths.

 

[nicepants]

Not really. Although I just stepped on JFK's toes for saying "a tour guide" runs the debunkers.

Banned already!? Is that a record?

Guess you should have known better than to use a word like "implode", I believe the only accepted terminology over there is "pull".

Things for CIT to study, parallel, and over.

Oh, come on...you didn't think that when the witness said "parallel" he meant it literally, do you? </cit>

 

[Reheat]

Anyway, CIT, as the kids say: you were OWNED. By the way, any time you want to supply your calculations, fine by me.

Can anyone tell me if Balsamo is posting on his own board? Since some stuff has been quoted here, apparently he has.

If he knows what he's doing (he doesn't) he could do the calculations and post them by the time he write one or two posts.

Anyone want to bet that he knows how to plot a turn radius?

I'd have a hard time too, Robbie, plotting that yellow line wide sweeping turn. I'm anxious to see how you're going to do that one and and comply with the witnesses statements! I'm beginning to think that you are an unemployable low time (padded hours) wannabe former little airplane driver with an "I wanna be somebody" ego.

 

[Reheat]

Things for CIT to study, parallel, and over.

Beachnut, I know everyone (twoofers mostly) keep plotting that path attributing it to Paik, but if you'll watch the Paik Video he points straight down Columbia Pike toward near where Morin was initially positioned. Check it out and tell me what you think?

 

[beachnut]

Beachnut, I know everyone (twoofers mostly) keep plotting that path attributing it to Paik, but if you'll watch the Paik Video he points straight down Columbia Pike toward near where Morin was initially positioned. Check it out and tell me what you think?

Yes. I took google earth and put people on the map, 5 to 6 feet tall, Paik points to impact at Pentagon, and Morin position looks like he can see the tail impact the Pentagon easy.

The path Craig draws keeps getting worse, like a student pilot pointing at the runway on base turn, trying to kill, and test the instructor limits, and asking for the strange maneuver from RSU.

If Craig shaves the turn to this non-path, it takes an instantaneous 11 G turn to make impact/fly over. Wings fall off jet falls apart short right at the corner and the 85 degree bank air show fails. This is why the witnesses saw the plane come in straight, it was going fast and not too much bank.

 

[jaydeehess]

http://vid47.photobucket.com/albums/f178/myphotos1960/Terry_Morin.flv

Rob has done a video, but forgot to put the Pentagon in. I think you can see the Pentagon from where their Morin was, who they will use for NoC and also say he is wrong, at the same time. It is like their logic was made for my writing skills.

Things for CIT to study, parallel, and over.
[qimg]http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/Pentagon%20folder%202/edpaiksextendedpath.jpg[/qimg]

One has to wonder why that plot does not include the impact point at the Pentagon. Could be that because if it did then a bright 13 year old could see that at 300 to 500 MPH the plane would really be testing its airframe?

BTW, what is a file with and " .flv " extension? I can't play it.