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Challenge to CIT

jhunter1163 said:
They badly need to get their story straight. Right now it reminds me of that Looney Toons cartoon, where Daffy and Elmer are heading back to the hunting lodge after the fourth or fifth time Elmer has shot Daffy.

Elmer: "More bwiefing?"
Daffy: "More briefing."
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Oh, damn, I can't find a GooTube video of this. So you're all going to have to settle for a .wav file:

http://www.cerbslair.com/ltcc/MORBRIEF.WAV
 
Right!!
Semantics is the problem with Morin saying he could see at least the tail of the plane all the way to the moment the fireball appeared.
Semantics is the problem with the speed of an aircraft that each and every observer describes as fast.
Semantics is the problem with the fact that each and every observer describes the aircraft as hitting the building.
Semantics is the problem with absolutly no observer anywhere describing the aircraft that approached the Pentagon low and fast as having flown over the Pentagon.
Semantics is the problem with the fact that there is no flight path that can both adhere to the witness statements that the CiT choose to accept , and to basic physics and aerodynamic properties that would allow such a path.


,,, and the CiT claim we are in denial? They must be assuming that we are in a river in northern Africa, and spelling it wrong!
 
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Ok I guess Craig is hanging up his hat?
bolding mine
http://s1.zetaboards.com/LooseChangeForums/single/?p=61767&t=212935
There is no debate.

Entertaining the semantics circles of these disingenuous hypocrites is completely pointless.

We have confirmed, corroborated, independent evidence proving a military deception and they have nothing but blanket denial, spin, and unadulterated faith in the OCT.

The evidence we have is a door and all the truth movement needs to do is open it.

We need to stop wasting our time debating these fools and think of ways to force the evidence in front of the authorities and media.

We need to hold them accountable.

Yes CIT has and will be doing this but we can't do it alone.

Debate is futile.

Research and activism is our only hope and imo what this forum should be dedicated to while flat out discouraging debate with pseudoskeptics.

I'm tired of it and will be doing my part in not participating in those types of discussions here any longer.
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Photo Analysis

Here's one of Russell Pickering's photos of the Navy Annex from a couple of years ago.

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Here's one that been displayed recently as an example of the view of Terry Morin.

Can someone tell me what's wrong with this photograph?

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Boone 870 said:
The guard shack is not in the same location.
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It does appear that way, but Morin described the Security Check Point (Guard Shack) as being out from (abeam) Building 4. That's where it is in the 1st photo above. There is no other crosswalk and this is a pedestrian Security Point. I also see other possible problems, but let's see if anyone else has any other ideas.
 
Ingersoll is standingat about wing 6 when he took that picture. You can see the line of short bushes on the right side background of the picture. Those start just beyond the parking lot's edge near the 7th wing.
 
Reheat said:
Can someone tell me what's wrong with this photograph?
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Well, for one thing I'm surprised that everybody looks like they are going on with business as usual, when a bloody great plane has just suicided into a building just down the way.

I would have expected everybody to be hanging off the fence at the smokey end...

That aside: what's that building in the background to the right of the guard shack?
 
The proportions of the "guard shacks" look totally different. In the overhead it appears to be about 50% of the open area and the roof is much bigger than parked cars. In the lower it seems to cover about 20% of the space and somewhat smaller than a car.
The significance escapes me though. Just a new shack I suppose?

eta: of course, looking along the Annexe you can't see the W wall of the Pentagon at all. In fact the plane would be well out of sight at impact. This isn't a "problem" with the photo, but it makes his statement "The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon" rather mysterious.
 
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I'm not sure about anything being wrong.

There's a booth at the entrance infront of Wing #6, which is not the same as the one marked on the Pickering's (actually Google Earth's) photo and most probably not the same Mr. Morin was talking about.

There's a weird vertical bluish-grey line/pole just to the left of the booth, but it probably is a real object, even though it looks, say, ethereal (or like a digital editing line). The pole to the right of the booth looks pretty much the same, except it's a bit darker in color.

The 8th wing of NAnnex looks different than the rest of the building, but it was built decades later, so there's nothing wrong with it looking differently.

The top of the VDOT camera pole is visible through the wire fence at the end. Just saying, not that there's something wrong with that.

There are no real trees or other obstacles in the way of the Pentagon's roof. Just saying, not that there's something wrong with that. But it does appear that Mr. Morin would not be capable of seeing the impact site or the fantasy flyover, even if it were real.

Other than that, I don't know.
 
Most probably true in the real world, but in the CITfantasia, the plane was still descending at the VDOT camera. Their witnesses say it disappeared behind the highway overpass or some other mound.

Then again, if the plane was really to the north of Citgo, Mr. Morin would not be able to see it at all. So, C&A, here's our witness who has seen the plane to the south of the station. You said we haven't got any.
 
I think Ingersoll is placed around here judging by that photo.
Moving to the right side of the parking area would give him line of sight.
But that shack is confusing, was there a smaller version further down the car park that has been moved since 9/11?

 
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What is that in the middle of the picture?
It is the correct dimensions and appears to have a shaped roof?
Or is it just a truck?

 
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scissorhands said:
What is that in the middle of the picture?
It is the correct dimensions and appears to have a shaped roof?
Or is it just a truck?
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Yes, that is most probably the booth from the photo. Check out the Microsoft's Virtual Earth for side views. It's located at the 6-7th wing. It most probably isn't the checkpoint Mr. Morin was talking about. There's another one by the Wing #4. You also have to move Mr. Ingersoll's POV a wing or two back. I believe he was at the 4th-5th wing as he started taking his photos. He then crossed the Columbia Pike at the 4th wing exit, went to the parking lots and down to the Pentagon. Ranke's got his full collection of photos.
 
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