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Challenge to CIT

CIT's Flyover Theory =

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Reheat said:
A tip for those arguing (it's no longer a legitimate debate) with the CIT loons in other locations. I know it's hard to see through all of the stupid, but sometimes things just jump out at you.

One of their arguments is that Steve Chaconas, the Potomac fishing guide, saw a COMMERCIAL AIRLINER as it looped East of the Potomac. They have argued endlessly that he could not have confused what he saw with the C-130 on a very similar flight path. It was definitely a COMMERCIAL AIRLINER according to their irrefutable, Independently Verified, and Scientifically Corroborated witness.

OK, was there another mysterious aircraft swap by the time that SAME AIRCRAFT (according to Steve Chaconas) approached the Pentagon for the "flyover". So, it wasn't an unknown aircraft at all. Another of THEIR WITNESSES, Steve Chancos, told us what it was. I believe that makes 2-3 who have indicated the type of aircraft they saw.
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Was Chaconas the witness that was file miles away? or is that the control tower guy that was five miles away?


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A W Smith said:
Was Chaconas the witness that was file miles away? or is that the control tower guy that was five miles away?
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Chaconas was about 5 miles and the DCA tower controller about 2 or so as I recall.

Your photo comparison perspective is too close, it was much further away at about 3,000-7,000 feet as they both passed over the River.

Chaconas was a fishing guide with a boat load of clients at the time, recalling from 6+ years after the incident.
 
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Reheat said:
Chaconas was about 5 miles and the DCA tower controller about 2 or so as I recall.

Your photo comparison perspective is too close, it was much further away at about 3,000-7,000 feet as they both passed over the River.

Chaconas was a fishing guide with a boat load of clients at the time, recalling from 6+ years after the incident.
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I didn't have time to find a pair of photos from a greater distance. Also couldn't find a representative illustration of what someone would remember they saw seven years ago.
 
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Reheat said:
Chaconas was about 5 miles and the DCA tower controller about 2 or so as I recall.

Your photo comparison perspective is too close, it was much further away at about 3,000-7,000 feet as they both passed over the River.

Chaconas was a fishing guide with a boat load of clients at the time, recalling from 6+ years after the incident.
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I got 3.8 but it was from under the made up path of CIT, and I think he was further down the river. Another impossible path for 77 due to evidence.
 
Whew! Relax, everybody!

Math whiz Rob Balsamo to the rescue!

Rob Balsamo@pffffft said:
I did some rough calculations based on those paths/radius, They all were entirely possible. The least amount of radius being just over 1 G. We will help CIT cover this more thoroughly when we get done with our topography revision and presentation.
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I hope he's not using the same calculator he used for his last math problem....I'm smelling another EPIC FAIL!
 
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WOW JUST WOW!
What do you say to someone whose mind is twisted to come up with this:
But we also know that the suspect in question has the technology, resources, and access to modify any type of craft any way they want.
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http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=124&st=30

There Craig goes YET AGAIN naming someone as a "suspect" but then when you ask him he comes up with some idiotic nonsensical response.
Oh yes and of course the NWO MLB's have created planes that can fly in whatever flight path that Craig creates fantasies about.
Man that weed has to be good!
 
nicepants said:
Whew! Relax, everybody!

Math whiz Rob Balsamo to the rescue!



I hope he's not using the same calculator he used for his last math problem....I'm smelling another EPIC FAIL!
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250 MPH
30 Degree Bank
1.2 G's
7269.2' Turn Radius

 
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I can't wait for balsamo to publish the formula or link to the calculator he used. This is gonna take a whole lotta laughing dogs. I think its obvious to everyone including lurkers why Rob is grounded as a pilot.
 
Not so fast, guys. 7269.2' is about 2350m that I got on my blue turn a few posts back. It is possible, but I do wonder whether they'll ditch parts of Mr. Paik's or Sgt. Lagasse's accounts... With those parameters, they're thinking of ditching both of them. Mr. Paik must've had been pretty slow making those 7 or so steps and Sgt. Lagasse might not had been that far under the Citgo's canopy after all. This is gonna be cherrypicking at its finest, I tell you.

H B-Day, A W!
 
Has anyone asked Rob if this means that the data from the FDR is missing more seconds than he originally thought? IIRC, his decoded data has the airplane going faster than 250 mph. So the missing section would have to be enough time to slow to 250, and maneuver north of the Citgo.
Is he going to shoot his own cash cow to help out CIT?
 
TjW said:
Has anyone asked Rob if this means that the data from the FDR is missing more seconds than he originally thought? IIRC, his decoded data has the airplane going faster than 250 mph. So the missing section would have to be enough time to slow to 250, and maneuver north of the Citgo.
Is he going to shoot his own cash cow to help out CIT?
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Since Robbie never accepted that the FDR data actually came from the FDR data recorder that was found at the Pentagon, and since he never accepted that the FDR data recorder came from the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, and since he never accepted that the plane, which crashed into the Pentagon was actually the AAL77, I don't think he'll be losing any sleep over it.
 
celestrin said:
Not so fast, guys. 7269.2' is about 2350m that I got on my blue turn a few posts back. It is possible, but I do wonder whether they'll ditch parts of Mr. Paik's or Sgt. Lagasse's accounts... With those parameters, they're thinking of ditching both of them. Mr. Paik must've had been pretty slow making those 7 or so steps and Sgt. Lagasse might not had been that far under the Citgo's canopy after all. This is gonna be cherrypicking at its finest, I tell you.

H B-Day, A W!
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Thanks celestrin

im getting 2.48G for your blue turn without adding 1 G . ill PM you
 
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A W Smith said:
Thanks celestrin

im getting 2.48G for your blue turn without adding 1 G . ill PM you
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CIT's claiming that their plane also made the pull up. This would introduce another unknown, so I didn't check the Gs yet. It's just plain geometry from me so far.
 
Bobert said:
WOW JUST WOW!
What do you say to someone whose mind is twisted to come up with this:

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=124&st=30

There Craig goes YET AGAIN naming someone as a "suspect" but then when you ask him he comes up with some idiotic nonsensical response.
Oh yes and of course the NWO MLB's have created planes that can fly in whatever flight path that Craig creates fantasies about.
Man that weed has to be good!
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I watched the video of Steve. He said the plane came out of the east then they coached him to say NE, but he still said SE too. So east is the first answer for where the plane came from. The C-130 got their attention (he called a plane at first until coached), and they after the 130 past him, they picked up 77 flying down. The 130 flew west, and the path of 77 coming down toward the Pentagon cross in line of sight. Funny, I think Steve could have seen the 130 (the only plane to pass over them) and then as it flew away to the west and climbed they picked up 77 across the way descending. Or they watched the 130 the whole way. Funny seeing witnesses debunk their over DC loop. Boy they coach the witnesses too much. This makes as much sense as their failed stories and matches the only plane.

So Steve clearly states, until coached, that the plane came for the east. Are these witnesses turning truther? It is funny how witnesses change their story when the interviewer talks and they change their stories slowly.

Steve said east, and CIT tries to make him say if flew from over DC! Fraud is afoot.
This pretty much makes CIT the worse research team I have seen, they first pick paths that did not happen, and back in the evidence very poorly. Like Jones and thermite.
 
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celestrin said:
Not so fast, guys. 7269.2' is about 2350m that I got on my blue turn a few posts back. It is possible, but I do wonder whether they'll ditch parts of Mr. Paik's or Sgt. Lagasse's accounts... With those parameters, they're thinking of ditching both of them. Mr. Paik must've had been pretty slow making those 7 or so steps and Sgt. Lagasse might not had been that far under the Citgo's canopy after all. This is gonna be cherrypicking at its finest, I tell you.
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Do you recall when I emphasized that it was important to include the caveat that the scenario had to agree with ALL of their witnesses statements and descriptions. I've plotted the turn radii, so I know the score.

Oh, and they're not likely to ditch any of the witnesses. They will just hand wave away those statements that don't fit, just as they've been doing all along. ONLY, those dumber than dirt (an insult to dirt) would believe anything they say at this point.

celestrin said:
Since Robbie never accepted that the FDR data actually came from the FDR data recorder that was found at the Pentagon, and since he never accepted that the FDR data recorder came from the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, and since he never accepted that the plane, which crashed into the Pentagon was actually the AAL77, I don't think he'll be losing any sleep over it.
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I truly wonder how he keeps the story straight without laughing?

beachnut said:
I watched the video of Steve. He said the plane came out of the east then they coached him to say NE, but he still said SE too. So east is the first answer for where the plane came from. The C-130 got their attention (he called a plane at first until coached), and they after the 130 past him, they picked up 77 flying down. The 130 flew west, and the path of 77 coming down toward the Pentagon cross in line of sight. Funny, I think Steve could have seen the 130 (the only plane to pass over them) and then as it flew away to the west and climbed they picked up 77 across the way descending. Or they watched the 130 the whole way. Funny seeing witnesses debunk their over DC loop. Boy they coach the witnesses too much. This makes as much sense as their failed stories and matches the only plane.

So Steve clearly states, until coached, that the plane came for the east. Are these witnesses turning truther? It is funny how witnesses change their story when the interviewer talks and they change their stories slowly.

Steve said east, and CIT tries to make him say if flew from over DC! Fraud is afoot.
This pretty much makes CIT the worse research team I have seen, they first pick paths that did not happen, and back in the evidence very poorly. Like Jones and thermite.
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One other tidbit that adds to the fraud is by saying that the C-130 was traveling SW when he was actually tracking due West (Magnetic heading). The C-130 RADES track is plotted with magnetic heading/track, while their fantasy track is merely lines drawn on a map. Pretty smart, huh, to a dumber than dirt twoofer!
 
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