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Cellulite Fat - Forever or can it be dieted/exercised off?

The issue is that when you are burning 15000 calories a day it is hard to eat enough.

Maybe so, but that situation doesn't affect more than about 0.00001% of the population.

Even so, my point remains. Exercise alone is no guarantee of weight loss.

And I can give first hand information that it's possible to do serious marathon training and still put on weight. For most people, when you start burning a lot of calories, you start craving more food and taking in more calories.

In order to lose weight, you have to burn more calories than you take in.
 
I don't think it is nonsense. The body can only absorb so much and the rest goes to waste when you over eat.

The reason you eat smaller meals more often is so the body can take in the most amount of nutrients possible that can be used.
This sounds like you should do the opposite of what you recommend. You should only eat a few really big meals so that you don't absorb most of the nutrients. If what you're saying is true (and I doubt it very much), then you would lose weight by overeating so that you excrete most of the food as "waste".

This fuels the growth of lean muscle mass when you are active. Of course, if you are sitting on your **s all day, the concept is not as effective.
Ah-I see. Sort of like breakfast cereal x will improve your heart health if it's part of a well-balanced diet combined with a good exercise program.

I don't think your theory is true (that overeating results in less efficient absorption of nutrients). But if it were, it would argue the other way around as a recommendation for weight loss.
 
Sounds like you've given up addressing the actual evidence and prefer to cling to your preexisting belief instead.

Sounds to me that it's the other way around. Did you have evidence of a "Fat" gene? Do you have evidence that people with this "fat" gene are helpless and doomed to a life of being overweight or obese?
 
This is irrelevant to the analogy. The body does not have a biological drive to over breathe.
What is it about biological drive you are having trouble with here?



The biological drive is to maintain weight? I doubt it. At any rate, behavior is the key factor to losing weight. This doesn't mean it's simply just a matter of willpower any more than to stop drinking alcohol is just a matter of willpower to alcoholics.
What evidence do you base your doubt on? I'm willing to consider it, but you haven't submitted any.

Weight loss research, which is quite extensive, supports the conclusion a biological drive to maintain one's excess weight exists and has a significant impact on attempts to lose weight. It also often leads to people gaining more weight than they lose when they attempt to lose weight. You can't ignore that when trying to address people's weight problems.

It may go against your preconceived conclusions here, but it is what the evidence supports.
 
Sounds to me that it's the other way around. Did you have evidence of a "Fat" gene? Do you have evidence that people with this "fat" gene are helpless and doomed to a life of being overweight or obese?
This has nothing to do with what I've been posting. I recognize you are getting frustrated I've not bought in to your beliefs.

Instead of trying to turn this personal, how about just finding some evidence to support your beliefs?
 
What is it about biological drive you are having trouble with here?

You seem to be inconsistent in your usage of the term. Biological drive to over eat is like the biological drive to over breathe.

What evidence do you base your doubt on? I'm willing to consider it, but you haven't submitted any.

http://scienceblogs.com/geneticfuture/2008/12/slender_yield_from_fat_gene_st.php

Weight loss research, which is quite extensive, supports the conclusion a biological drive to maintain one's excess weight exists and has a significant impact on attempts to lose weight. It also often leads to people gaining more weight than they lose when they attempt to lose weight. You can't ignore that when trying to address people's weight problems.

It may go against your preconceived conclusions here, but it is what the evidence supports.

If the biological drive is to MAINTAIN current weight, then why are people getting more and more fat?
 
From my understanding of the research I've read, SG is correct that the body tries to maintain its weight at a set-point, which probably has a genetic component. In some severely obese people this mechanism appears to be broken.

IMO, the trick to successful weight loss is to (a) have a satisfying regular diet which will result in weight being stabilised and then (b) modifying this diet and/or the amount of exercise with the aim of loosing weight very slowly, to avoid triggering the hormonal system which influences feeding behaviour.
 
It's a matter of energy. If you want to lose weight, make sure you use more calories than you intake.

I've heard the 5 meals a day nonsense, and it's just that, nonsense. Physically, I doubt it matters how often you eat. Psychologically, it might be good to do just because you're actually thinking about what you're eating more often.

According to weight watchers, eating small portions through out the day is not a matter of tricking your body, it's maintaining a healthy blood sugar level. You don't sit and eat meatloaf and mashed potatoes 5x, you eat small supplimental snacks; yogurt, a piece of fruit, maybe some cheese. It keeps your metabolism up, prevents a blood sugar crash, and prevents you from causing sustained hunger which people have a tendency to counter act by eating till they are stuffed. It's counter productive if you are not eating the right foods, though. You are right, though, it is a bit psychological because it does make you more aware of what you are eating.
 
Sharing Results

I guess I'll find out if exercising will help to reduce the look of cellulite and I will share the results at some point. I've taken my measurements and weight (no - I will not share those stats) and in a couple of months I will post if I've lost any inches and/or pounds. I had a physical a couple of months ago the test results were all good. So, I'm not trying to lower blood pressure or cholesteral (sp) - all of those were in low (normal) range).

In the meantime - if anyone has more suggestions/advice...or happens upon a "magic" pill please let me know.
 
And they have the scientific evidence to support all of those assertions?

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=56254

Apparently, there are scientific studies that say otherwise.

Did you read the article or just look for the first title that appeared to agree with you?

Gary Schwartz, a researcher with the Albert Einstein College of Medicine, answered, "There's no strong data supporting either [three meals a day or six meals a day] as being more effective" for losing weight or maintaining lost weight. "Clearly there is an emphasis on reducing caloric intake overall, whether it be by decreasing meal size and/or decreasing meal frequency."
*my bold

ETA: In answer to your question, yeah, they do used published research.
http://www.weightwatchers.com/health/sciencecenter/library.aspx
I was just explaining one plan suggestion they offer. WW does not have a one-size fits all method so diets vary between individuals. I was just trying to explain the logic behind the many small meals a day. method.
 
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I guess I'll find out if exercising will help to reduce the look of cellulite and I will share the results at some point. I've taken my measurements and weight (no - I will not share those stats) and in a couple of months I will post if I've lost any inches and/or pounds. I had a physical a couple of months ago the test results were all good. So, I'm not trying to lower blood pressure or cholesteral (sp) - all of those were in low (normal) range).

In the meantime - if anyone has more suggestions/advice...or happens upon a "magic" pill please let me know.

I have no more suggestions or advice--just well wishes and encouragement!

And even if exercise doesn't give you measurable results in pounds or inches, it will definitely contribute to your level of fitness and you will enjoy better health (not to mention the emotional benefit I mentioned earlier).
 
According to weight watchers, eating small portions through out the day is not a matter of tricking your body, it's maintaining a healthy blood sugar level.

That at least sounds plausible.

I would also believe that more frequent, smaller meals might possibly result in less stomach stretch (and over time possibly result in a smaller stomach) which is definitely associated with food craving. (Gastric bypass works by having a smaller stomach to fill in order to feel satiated.)

I'm sure not buying the idea that overeating causes less efficient absorption of nutrients.

At any rate, the proof is in the pudding (so to speak). I'd like to see controlled studies supporting the fact that more frequent meals contributes to weight loss. If it's so, that's the point when we should speculate about why it works.
 
Sure did. "Otherwise" doesn't mean "opposite." ;)

I will go with that. The point of the article, though is to counter a specific fad diet that seems to infer that eating every three hours is the universal diet. There is no universal diet but there is some logic behind eating small meals throughout the day. As you pointed out, the psychological effect and as discussed in the article you linked, it's a matter of not waiting till you are ravenous to eat. Calling even 5 small meals a day, through WW standards is still a bit inaccurate. They don't recommend sitting to eat 5 or 6 times a day; the recommend keeping healthy snacks available so you don't crash and over eat to compensate.
 
I purposefully refrained from saying you did not know you were stating an hypothesis. I said, "You have posted your hypotheses. You have not posted conclusions supported by evidence. Lots of people don't understand the difference."

I'm not sure I'm following you... you said: "Do you have any hypotheses as to why so few people are able to just eat right and exercise?"

But in reviewing your post, the words, "I imagine" are not in it.

Maybe you missed it in this post

While a number of declarations are. Here is the full post:(emphasis mine) I recognize you noted there is biology involved. I'm not condemning everything you've said. I'm trying to call attention to all the declarations in this thread telling people all they need to do is [xyz] while those declarations are not supported by any scientific evidence.

I did not know that exercise and healthy eating were not supported by the evidence nor did I know that willpower was a complete illusion. :) How do you think the few that are able to stay exceptionally fit do it?

We tend to recognize one needs science to draw conclusions about astronomy or geology. But when it comes to the things more common in our daily lives people are more likely to draw conclusions based on "common sense". The problem arises when that common sense is wrong. It isn't always wrong, but when it comes to matters of health, there are a lot of common sense conclusions floating around and people are often very quick to make declarations of fact when the evidence doesn't actually support the facts.

Yep. I'm not offering anything more than common sense and experience. In fact, if you would have prefaced your question "Do you have any hypotheses as to why so few people are able to just eat right and exercise?" and included "please cite research" I would have answered "no".

I think we are talking past each other a bit. I recognize that we have both the biological drive(s) and the willpower to override them with limited success. I did say: factors are different for different people.

I'm trying to get people to make a paradigm shift in how they view willpower when it comes to the biological drive to maintain one's weight. This is what the evidence supports in weight loss science. The evidence supports that when your body senses weight loss it craves calories just as you crave oxygen when you hold your breath. This biological drive to increase your calorie intake and decrease your metabolic rate (also not totally under conscious control) is much more than just want, desire, will power, or however you want to describe it.

I can see that. I agree with you to a great extent, but I hope you don't think that willpower or desire is not a factor at all. Ideally, people hit their target body weight/composition and then they change their approach to maintaining rather than losing weight (maybe even gaining weight in lean muscle mass).

If they can get to that point, is the biological drive still operating with the same intensity? Does it ever stop or do you just keep wanting more and more?

Nevertheless, after reading Badly Shaved Monkey pointing out what Steve001 wrote, I re-read the OP question. I certainly assumed there was a desire to "lose weight" or "lose fat" or "get in shape" or what have you.

It was my mistake.

I've not objected to your advice. I just point out that there were a couple unsupported declarations in it that would be best if you could cite some data these methods were effective.

It turns out with weight loss diets, be it more fat, less carbs, balanced, small meals, water before meals... you name it, none of these diets have been shown to be consistently better than one another. You can find some research to support each, but that is likely the placebo effect of being in the study, not the diet itself. And none of the diets result in many people obtaining sustained weight loss. In fact, lots of people who do lose weight gain more back when that biological drive to consume calories kicks in. It is not a myth that one risks gaining more weight than one loses with dieting.

If it were the diet which resulted in effective weight loss, one would expect to see one working better than the others. Now health wise, smaller portions and a balanced diet are supportable suggestions. As is increasing one's exercise in most cases. But whether these actions result in sustained weight loss is another matter.

I see what you are saying and I agree. My only real suggestion on how to achieve better looking, healthier body was what you wrote above (in bold).

I go through spells where I change eating and exercise habits. I like to drink wine and eat good food. Recently, I got caught up in something that took a lot of my time and that was very frustrating and for 6 months I slipped back into doing what I knew was going backwards for me health wise (that is if you really count the loss of a visible 6pack and the small amount of liver and brain damage that resulted) :-)

Point is, I know I am just as susceptible to what you are describing. In my case -- the biological drive for fats, sugars, alcohol combined with laziness on the exercise front.
 
Wrong. I'm trying to get people to consider what they believe based on common sense is not always what the evidence actually shows when we evaluate that evidence scientifically and systematically.

I take back that you are being overly argumentative. :D
 
That at least sounds plausible.

I would also believe that more frequent, smaller meals might possibly result in less stomach stretch (and over time possibly result in a smaller stomach) which is definitely associated with food craving. (Gastric bypass works by having a smaller stomach to fill in order to feel satiated.)

I'm sure not buying the idea that overeating causes less efficient absorption of nutrients.

At any rate, the proof is in the pudding (so to speak). I'd like to see controlled studies supporting the fact that more frequent meals contributes to weight loss. If it's so, that's the point when we should speculate about why it works.

For the record, WW does not say eating 5 times a day leads to definite weight loss and in the article Thaiboxerken linked, the doctor actually said she has yet to see a study that supports eating more meals increases weightloss. It's just about curbing hunger with healthier options but that is just one of their suggestions, not a one size fits all solution. I don't recall saying anything about over-eating causing less efficient absorbtion of nutrients so I am going to assume that is not towards me.
 

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