CCW holder killed reaching for ID.

Yeggster said:
That's not very wise.
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Only where you live. I really doni't have any fear of being shot over a misunderstanding diring my interaction with the police.

As I say, I really don't want to be in fear for my life every single time I interact with a uniformed public servant.

Where I live it's just fine, been doing it since I was 17. Never been shouted at, arrested, rebuked or, importantly, shot.

I shall keep doing it.
 
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Yeggster said:
not that's not what happened

Did you listen to the video? :(

The cop tried to physically STOP him from moving his right hand to his pocket ... and the driver just kept moving AFTER being yelled at to stop! AND after having his arm held ...
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You determined that the cop tried to physically stop him... by listening to the video? No, I don't hear that. You must have some awesome speakers.

Or did you mean physically stop him, by putting bullets into him? Yeah, I DEFINITELY heard that.

See: I've listened to the video too, and the distance between 'don't get that out' to 'don't get that out!' or whatever the exact words is really, really short. So, please; don't try to sell us on 'kept moving after being yelling at', because 1. he wasn't reaching for his gun, 2. the cop never saw the ACTUAL gun (just the imagined one), and 3. he executed the man for not following directions, when no other job in the US has similar abilities to execute members of the public for not following directions.

Members of the public who are not actually doing anything illegal at the time, and are carrying things they are legally entitled to carry, and not actually even pulling out the any of them in question at that very moment.
 
Dr.Sid said:
The policeman didn't say 'freeze' .. he didn't say 'don't move' .. he say 'don't pull it out' .. and Castillo said 'I'm not pulling it out' .. he continued to pull something out, or, as some suggest, he was unfastening his seat belt. Yes, Castello didn't thought that it might be mistaken for pulling gun .. but he didn't disobey order. He simply thought 'I'm not pulling gun, so what's this guy's problem' .. but before they could clear the confusion, the policeman shot him. I certainly see a problem here, as I see as this could easily happen to me. I see why the policeman was scared .. be he misjudged and killed person in error .. and he must be held responsible for it.
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Until we get the public highly trained to not panic when a panicking police officer pulls a gun on them.
 
Yeggster said:
Wisdom is not geographically specific.
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What makes you think it's unwise?

What do you think might happen to me as I'm getting out of my car?

I am extremely curious. I want to know why you think it's unwise for me. I already know why it's unwise for you.
 
bignickel said:
You determined that the cop tried to physically stop him... by listening to the video? No, I don't hear that. You must have some awesome speakers.

Or did you mean physically stop him, by putting bullets into him? Yeah, I DEFINITELY heard that.

See: I've listened to the video too, and the distance between 'don't get that out' to 'don't get that out!' or whatever the exact words is really, really short. So, please; don't try to sell us on 'kept moving after being yelling at', because 1. he wasn't reaching for his gun, 2. the cop never saw the ACTUAL gun (just the imagined one), and 3. he executed the man for not following directions, when no other job in the US has similar abilities to execute members of the public for not following directions.

Members of the public who are not actually doing anything illegal at the time, and are carrying things they are legally entitled to carry, and not actually even pulling out the any of them in question at that very moment.
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I can't understand your typing sorry.
 
Skeptic Tank said:
You say this so dismissively. As though the Officer is just blatantly and obviously BSing after the fact when he says he feared for his life.

Well why in the blue blazes would he have shot the guy if he HADN'T feared for his life?
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You see the problem isn't whether or not he "feared for his life" it's whether their fears were reasonable. Despite your attempt to excuse their gross incompetence and obvious ineptitude their fears were completely unwarranted and unreasonable.

If they are so fearful and frightened about a black man having a gun during a routine traffic stop, despite his possession of said gun being completely legal and that he warned the officer beforehand, then they should of course not be a police officer at all.

It's only reasonable for police officers to be held to high standards and this includes them not panicking and shooting someone to death during a routine traffic stop even if the person they pulled over was black and was legally possessing a gun or other weapon. Again the great power that comes with being a police officer should never include them effectively being above and beyond the law.
 
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Arcade22 said:
You know in some places of the world police officers aren't just looking for excuses for shooting people to death. Yeah i know it's hard to believe but it's true.
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It gets even worse. In *some* countries, traffic officers don't even carry guns!!!!!!! :jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp;)
 
3point14 said:
What makes you think it's unwise?

What do you think might happen to me as I'm getting out of my car?

I am extremely curious. I want to know why you think it's unwise for me. I already know why it's unwise for you.
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You could resemble an armed and dangerous criminal, appear to be reaching for something, and get killed. Stay in the car.
 
Trevor Noah had a great question that we all know the answer to anyway:

Where was the NRA? Why are they totally silent about a law abiding gun owner shot dead seemingly doing everything right?

OH I know..... :rolleyes:
 
Arcade22 said:
You see the problem isn't whether or not he "feared for his life" it's whether their fears were reasonable. Despite your attempt to excuse their gross incompetence and obvious ineptitude their fears were completely unwarranted and unreasonable.

If they are so fearful and frightened about a black man having a gun during a routine traffic stop, despite his possession of said gun being completely legal and that he warned the officer beforehand, then they should of course not be a police officer at all.

It's only reasonable for police officers to be held to high standards and this includes them not panicking and shooting someone to death during a routine traffic stop even if the person they pulled over was black and was legally possessing a gun or other weapon. Again the great power that comes with being a police officer should never include them effectively being above and beyond the law.
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The thing that struck me on watching the video is how the mere mention that the driver had a gun threw the cop into a complete panic. I realize that it's not the easiest thing in the world to know how someone (even yourself) might react to a stressful situation, but this is not the kind of person I want to be a cop. If nothing else, the job requires that you keep your cool in dangerous or stressful situations (and the situation was apparently dangerous only in the mind of the cop).
 
CORed said:
The thing that struck me on watching the video is how the mere mention that the driver had a gun threw the cop into a complete panic. I realize that it's not the easiest thing in the world to know how someone (even yourself) might react to a stressful situation, but this is not the kind of person I want to be a cop. If nothing else, the job requires that you keep your cool in dangerous or stressful situations (and the situation was apparently dangerous only in the mind of the cop).
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Of course knowing that someone has a gun is great reason to panic, panicking people is the entire point of those open carry activists.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Of course knowing that someone has a gun is great reason to panic, panicking people is the entire point of those open carry activists.
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It really shouldn't be in a land where guns are legally carried. Someone carrying a gun is just business as usual. What panic?
 
3point14 said:
It really shouldn't be in a land where guns are legally carried. Someone carrying a gun is just business as usual. What panic?
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It makes the cops panic regularly, and if highly trained law enforcement professional panic ordinary people should panic as well.
 
CORed said:
The thing that struck me on watching the video is how the mere mention that the driver had a gun threw the cop into a complete panic. I realize that it's not the easiest thing in the world to know how someone (even yourself) might react to a stressful situation, but this is not the kind of person I want to be a cop. If nothing else, the job requires that you keep your cool in dangerous or stressful situations (and the situation was apparently dangerous only in the mind of the cop).
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Yep. We may need to outlaw concealed carry just to protect the police. They can't seem to handle it.

I tried to go to the NRA site to see if they had any comment after being called out by The Daily Show. Their website is horrendous. I didn't see anything related, but I can't attest to them not having something on there.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Entirely? He lost his job there, but bad cops usually get hired somewhere else. I guess he might be a touch infamous to get hired but I could see lots of departments going to bat for him.
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This is true in many cases - not just murderers, but for police that are far too violent in general. In this case, though, they stated explicitly that they were going to provide training to get him out of policing, so with any luck he won't be out panicking and shooting people again.
 
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