Catholic Speaker of the House fires Catholic Priest for his invocation

[fuelair]

That's a pretty harsh characterization of Catholics in general.

In situations like this I prefer to focus my criticism on the individual. Paul Ryan is an arrogant douchebag. There is no doubt about it.

More an enema nozzle. For elephants.

 

[fuelair]

Liberalism does its level best to keep people poor.

An awful lot of republickers claim that one too.

 

[fuelair]

Paul Ryan loves Atlas Shrugged, which would put him at odds, it seems, with this particular chaplain.

But not with the teachings of Supply Side Jesus.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc-LJ_3VbUA

I assume he is unaware that Ayn Rand wrote idiot fiction.

 

[fuelair]

Don't hate the villain, hate the villanelle.

Nah, just recognize the republickers care about no one they cannot use or gain bribes/funding from.

 

[mgidm86]

Do you have any facts to the contrary ?

Is your internet broken ?

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/385035-house-chaplain-forced-out-by-ryan

Conroy’s own resignation announcement stated that it was done at Ryan’s request.

“As you have requested, I hereby offer my resignation as the 60th Chaplain of the United States House of Representatives,” the April 15 letter to Ryan, obtained by The Hill, states.
Through his office, Conroy, who has served as chaplain since 2011, declined to comment on Thursday. His resignation is effective May 24.

Four different sources — two from each party — say Conroy was told that he must retire or that he would be dismissed.

After reading that, what's your next complaint ? Still hungry from having to be spoon fed ?

Some more links:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/speaker-ryan-forces-out-house-chaplain-n869421

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/why-paul-ryan-fired-the-house-chaplain.html

http://fortune.com/2018/04/27/paul-ryan-house-chaplain-resign-patrick-conroy/

They were remarkably easy to find. Of course, since I'm a mere 'prog', or leftist, or lib, or whatever, these links are automagically invalid.

I don't think anyone doubts Ryan asked him to leave, the big question is why.

The OP makes it sound like absolute fact that it was due to a prayer, but from one of the links provided above...

Rep. Gerry Connolly, D-Va., has started circulating a letter for signatures asking Ryan to explain why he dismissed Conroy. Connolly's office said they hope to have a final letter with signatures Friday to send to Ryan.

It has been reported that someone speculated that the prayer may have been the reason but that's all I've seen. Maybe it's even true.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't think anyone doubts Ryan asked him to leave, the big question is why.

The OP makes it sound like absolute fact that it was due to a prayer, but from one of the links provided above...



It has been reported that someone speculated that the prayer may have been the reason but that's all I've seen. Maybe it's even true.

OK fine, so what was it then if it wasn't a dislike of prayers that reminded legislators their Christian duty included caring for the poor?

There was the assertion I posted that the Evangelical legislators were upset the priest invited a Muslim to give the prayer. Is that any better of a reason?

 

[acbytesla]

He fired the priest because he wanted to help the poor? Lol

Call me a skeptic but before I dig into this I’ll call your post amazingly misleading. I’ll bet it had something to do with liberalism.

You're kidding right?

Any kind of talk about helping the poor in your mind would qualify as liberal.

But let's be honest, Paul Ryan actually prays to Ayn Rand...who BTW was an atheist.

 

[bruto]

I have been seeing a lot about this on twitter.

Ryan, supposedly a Catholic, got mad at the chaplain, a Jesuit catholic priest, because he had the audacity to give an invocation/sermon/whatever you want to call his speech about doing things like, helping the poor.

That was unacceptable to the Speaker, so he sacked the guy.

Apparently, Ryan doesn't like the Jesuit message of service to the poor (see also: the Pope).

When Boehner quit the Speaker role, I argued (and I still contend) that it was because the Pope got to him. Recall how he cried when listening to the Pope talk. I still believe that it moved him to the point where his conscience got the best of him. His response was to quit.

Ryan hears the message and instead of taking it to heart, fires the priest. Because, you know, where do Catholic priests come off interfering with the Randian policies?

People are complaining about how Ryan is not a good Catholic and all that (No True Catholic, of course). I disagree. From what I see, Ryan's actions and attitude are perfectly consistent with those for the Catholics I know.

So, even if you don't know him, what was the fired priest if not a Catholic? I can think of all sorts of nasty things to say about all sorts of people for all sorts of different reasons, and Catholic doctrine figures pretty high on the list, but really, how can you use that douchebag's dismissal of a priest as ammunition against the faith the priest represents? You're not making sense.

 

[acbytesla]

So, even if you don't know him, what was the fired priest if not a Catholic? I can think of all sorts of nasty things to say about all sorts of people for all sorts of different reasons, and Catholic doctrine figures pretty high on the list, but really, how can you use that douchebag's dismissal of a priest as ammunition against the faith the priest represents? You're not making sense.

First of all, faith is not a virtue. Faith is another name for gullibility.

I have known many many, many good people that are Catholics, some of them even Catholic priests and the chaplain sounds like one of them. But you have to agree it's pretty sick to have a chaplain at all, given the Establishment Clause and the separation of Church and State. (As for the Catholic Church, let's just say it has to be in the top 5 of the most corrupt and evil institutions mankind has ever created. )

 

[Elagabalus]

First of all, faith is not a virtue. Faith is another name for gullibility.

I have known many many, many good people that are Catholics, some of them even Catholic priests and the chaplain sounds like one of them. But you have to agree it's pretty sick to have a chaplain at all, given the Establishment Clause and the separation of Church and State. (As for the Catholic Church, let's just say it has to be in the top 5 of the most corrupt and evil institutions mankind has ever created. )

Eh?! Could you expound on that? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

...As for the Catholic Church, let's just say it has to be in the top 5 of the most corrupt and evil institutions mankind has ever created...

As compared to what? What about the Mexica (aka the Aztecs)? Telling everyone that the sun wouldn't shine in the morning if there were no human sacrifices. That's ...that's, kinda evil isn't it? Do you think that if their civilization was suddenly discovered today that they would be allowed a seat at the U.N. round table with a bizarre belief like that?


Where am I going with this? I have no idea ...

 

[pgwenthold]

So, even if you don't know him, what was the fired priest if not a Catholic? I can think of all sorts of nasty things to say about all sorts of people for all sorts of different reasons, and Catholic doctrine figures pretty high on the list, but really, how can you use that douchebag's dismissal of a priest as ammunition against the faith the priest represents? You're not making sense.

What is it about describing "catholics I know" that leads to posters accusing me of saying things about catholics I don't know?

You even acknowledged tbat I don't know that priest. So why create the strawmam?

I've known a few prirsts in my life. I've known no Jesuit priests. I don't give a **** if there are others like that priest, I don't know them. That's why I said what I said and worded it that way.

 

[abaddon]

Eh?! Could you expound on that? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

You can believe anything at all on "faith". Invisible Pink Unicorn? I have no evidence whatsoever, but I believe in it by "faith". I have faith that the IPU is watching over me all the time.

 

[Craig4]

Well, at least he didn't get fired for what priests usually get fired for.

 

[casebro]

This 'Murica. And we do have laws against religion interfering in politics. Which include priests sermonizing on political subjects- their church can even lose it's tax deductible status. As an atheist, I say good on Ryan.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Call me a skeptic but before I dig into this I’ll call your post amazingly misleading. I’ll bet it had something to do with liberalism.

Wait... You think this is what skepticism is?

 

[Cleon]

He fired the priest because he wanted to help the poor? Lol

Call me a skeptic but before I dig into this I’ll call your post amazingly misleading. I’ll bet it had something to do with liberalism.

This is the chaplain. His job is to say a prayer. That's it.

Now, I think it's ridiculous that this position even exists. But exist it does.

Let's suppose you're right, and Conroy is a super-duper liberal, as one would expect from someone who got a unanimous confirmation from a Republican-controlled House. Mabe he's got a tattoo of Hillary Clinton on one arm, Elizabeth Warren on the other, and if he flexes juuuuuuust right, they look like they're making sweet, sweet love while the dulcet tones of the Dixie Chicks play in the background and a framed photo of George Soros smiles benevolently down from above the fireplace.

But I digress.

Let's assume all of that is true - how does this warrant a termination after seven years on the job? How does it impact his oh-so-vital role of giving a short spiel that most of the congresscritters don't really listen to anyway?

I mean, I get that you're a fan of political purges. But that aside, what's the deal here?

If it's over the wording of a prayer, it's ridiculously petty. If it's over political bias, it's equally heavy-handed and silly. The only way this comes close to making sense is if Ryan found out that Conroy was involved in the sexual abuse scandal in some way, and was trying to keep it on the down-low out of religious loyalty.

 

[PhantomWolf]

This 'Murica. And we do have laws against religion interfering in politics. Which include priests sermonizing on political subjects- their church can even lose it's tax deductible status. As an atheist, I say good on Ryan.

Really? So those trying to change the laws on Abortion aren't doing it for religious reasons?

 

[fuelair]

Eh?! Could you expound on that? I have no idea what you're trying to say here.



As compared to what? What about the Mexica (aka the Aztecs)? Telling everyone that the sun wouldn't shine in the morning if there were no human sacrifices. That's ...that's, kinda evil isn't it? Do you think that if their civilization was suddenly discovered today that they would be allowed a seat at the U.N. round table with a bizarre belief like that?


Where am I going with this? I have no idea ...

Massive thefts of property and murders for faked up witchcraft/related and sometimes for being Jewish in the older days. The laundries where unwed mothers and similar were beaten and forced to work and when children were born, those children were stolen and given to "good" catholics at least in the 1800s and early 1900s (Ireland being the best known.. Wars/acts of murder and slavery from Europe to Africa and the Americas. Just minor crap like that.
Must add: yep the Aztecs did, but not in the numbers by far the Catholics did.

 

[fuelair]

Ooooops, forgot the up to now stuff with the raping of young boys by priests, and the harming of patients (not given pain medications and related) under ******* Teresa's watch!


Friendly note, if you are unaware of any of those things I will happily supply source material (legitimate, not anti-Catholic) on all. I do keep up on naughty groups pretty well and over a long time span.

 

[fuelair]

This is the chaplain. His job is to say a prayer. That's it.

Now, I think it's ridiculous that this position even exists. But exist it does.

Let's suppose you're right, and Conroy is a super-duper liberal, as one would expect from someone who got a unanimous confirmation from a Republican-controlled House. Mabe he's got a tattoo of Hillary Clinton on one arm, Elizabeth Warren on the other, and if he flexes juuuuuuust right, they look like they're making sweet, sweet love while the dulcet tones of the Dixie Chicks play in the background and a framed photo of George Soros smiles benevolently down from above the fireplace.

But I digress.

Let's assume all of that is true - how does this warrant a termination after seven years on the job? How does it impact his oh-so-vital role of giving a short spiel that most of the congresscritters don't really listen to anyway?

I mean, I get that you're a fan of political purges. But that aside, what's the deal here?

If it's over the wording of a prayer, it's ridiculously petty. If it's over political bias, it's equally heavy-handed and silly. The only way this comes close to making sense is if Ryan found out that Conroy was involved in the sexual abuse scandal in some way, and was trying to keep it on the down-low out of religious loyalty.

Yes, given that we are not an xtian nation and no religion should be infecting our government or influencing it in any way BUT if we have the silliness of a chaplain and a prayer, the chaplain should pray as he wishes but it should be very harmless and very generic. That way most no religious leader should want to be the chaplain.


OOOps, edited to add that I colored and embiggened the colored and embiggened in the OP....