carlson test and debunking randi

If you need to edit any of the profiles, you should get idunno's approval of the edited profiles before forwarding them to the subjects.

This seems reasonable.


Also, after all the subjects have selected the profile they believe is theirs, would it be possible to publish the profiles so we can vote on them before the correct answers are made public?

Um,... I'd also have to reveal the participants' list prematurely as well. I will do so
if I get the explicit consent of all seven participants and idunno.
 
ok for chinese astrology i need gender if you dont mind, and whether there was DST in Missouri when Mercury was born.If possible give me also the sun time for Hayti,Missouri.

Okay, y'all. You heard the man. I need all your genders and some further information from you, Mercury. I will not infer gender from your nom-de-net; even if you use the forum name "Elizabeth Hurley", tell me whether or not you're female.
 
Um,... I'd also have to reveal the participants' list prematurely as well. I will do so
if I get the explicit consent of all seven participants and idunno.

There is no need to list the identities of the participants. Letting the forum members match profiles to participants would give more wiggle room for interpreting the results and throw off the statistics. If the participant picked the wrong profile for themselves but the forum picked the right profile, it will be argued that the score based on the forum picks shows that the readings were accurate even though this was not part of the protocol.

What I'm asking for is a chance for the readers here to match the profiles to the birth dates. This will let us see if there is something in the readings that correlates with the dates that you may have missed.
 
There is no need to list the identities of the participants. Letting the forum members match profiles to participants would give more wiggle room for interpreting the results and throw off the statistics. If the participant picked the wrong profile for themselves but the forum picked the right profile, it will be argued that the score based on the forum picks shows that the readings were accurate even though this was not part of the protocol.

What I'm asking for is a chance for the readers here to match the profiles to the birth dates. This will let us see if there is something in the readings that correlates with the dates that you may have missed.

Ah. I misunderstood you, then. Yes, there should be no problem matching the readings to the birthdates and pseudonyms, without revealing the identity of the participants.
 
Additional and hopefully final revision.

  • Solomon -- 7th June 1956, Montpelier (France) 17:00 (female)
  • Hercules -- 9th October 1972, Newcastle-upon-Tyne (UK) 10:00 (female)
  • Atlas -- 20th December 1981, Montreal (Canada) 15:20 (male)
  • Zeus -- 30th March 1952, London (UK) 14:45 (male)
  • Achilles -- 15th October 1956, Elmhurst, Illinois (USA) 08:52 (male)
  • Mercury -- 4th June 1974, Hayti, Missouri (USA) 10:56 (male)
  • Billy Batson -- 18th May 1966, Honolulu, HI (USA) 20:17 (male)

Please note Mercury's revised time of birth. Also, Mercury was unable to provide "sun time" for Hayti, MO, but did state that (a) MO observes Daylight Savings Time, so the time is probably DST, and (b), hat Hayti is located at 36.23 N, 89.25 W, so you should be able to calculate local sun time from that information.

(Speaking only for the record, I suspect that sun-time is a non-issue; if it's that important, astrology would be more or less useless anyway, since most people don't know their time of birth to the required accuracy. Note that 2/7 of our participants were born on the exact hour, and one on the quarter-hour. I sense roundoff error on the part of the attending physician.)

Anyway,... the ball is now in your court, Idunno. I look forward to receiving the readings at your earliest convenience. Please remember to not put gender or planetary position cues into your readings, because I will just scrub them out anyway.
 
(Speaking only for the record, I suspect that sun-time is a non-issue; if it's that important, astrology would be more or less useless anyway, since most people don't know their time of birth to the required accuracy. Note that 2/7 of our participants were born on the exact hour, and one on the quarter-hour. I sense roundoff error on the part of the attending physician.)
Indeed if astrology had any validity whatsoever, then a well-trained astrologer ought to be able to pick sun signs with accuracy far greater than random even if they only had the time of birth correct to within a day or two, given a large enough sample.

But indeed the time of birth is quite important to the astrologer. It is one more thing they can use for an excuse if the reading proves totally wrong.

In fact, as I said, I used to dabble in astrology back in college. The thing that made me realize what a lot of hokum it was came when I met a dorm-mate who had the same birthdate, time and city as me. As far as I could tell, we had practically nothing in common, other than we both liked The Beatles. That's when I said, "If astrology worked, we ought to be damn near twins."

And that would be an interesting thing to track. Find the hospital records for people born in the same hospitals at approximately the same times and find out how much alike they are. My guess would be, "about the same as any other randomly selected people".
 
And that would be an interesting thing to track. Find the hospital records for people born in the same hospitals at approximately the same times and find out how much alike they are. My guess would be, "about the same as any other randomly selected people".

This has already been done. See here and here. The result was unsurprising: "The strong similarities predicted by astrology were simply not there."
 
But indeed the time of birth is quite important to the astrologer. It is one more thing they can use for an excuse if the reading proves totally wrong.

Indeed, the wildly innacurate reading that idunno did for me was based on an approximate time - my dad says he doesn't remember the time, and having been through the same myself I can understand. I remember very little of the details of the birth of my son.
 
No posts by idunno in almost a week now. I hope it's because he's busy making the readings and not that he has scarpered off.
 
No posts by idunno in almost a week now. I hope it's because he's busy making the readings and not that he has scarpered off.

Well, according to these posts:

please hurry up cause ill be busy learning guitar tunes this weekend before going on holiday monday:)
im leaving tomorrow morning and nobody has come out withe test.

he is currently on holiday. However, these say he was leaving on Monday 23rd. His last posts in this thread were made on Tuesday 24th.
 
Hindsight being 20/20, a time limit should have been established as part of the testing protocol.

You're in a hurry? If I were to receive the readings this instant, I wouldn't have time to do the scrubbing until later this week, and of course the subjects are busy, too.
 
Updated to reflect one final participant. Had I known there would have been seven from the start, you would all have been named after cardinal sins,.... so be grateful to this last participant.
  • Solomon -- 7th June 1956, Montpelier (France) 17:00
  • Hercules -- 9th October 1972, Newcastle-upon-Tyne (UK) 10:00
  • Atlas -- 20th December 1981, Montreal (Canada) 15:20
  • Zeus -- 30th March 1952, London (UK) 14:45
  • Achilles -- 15th October 1956, Elmhurst, Illinois (USA) 08:52
  • Mercury -- 4th June 1974, Hayti, Missouri (USA) 10:00
  • Billy Batson -- 18th May 1966, Honolulu, HI (USA) 20:17
was there DST in Hawai when billy Batson was born___
 

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