carlson test and debunking randi

[idunno]

http://www.firststop-astrology.com/Planet_Sign/sun_sign.htm

do you find this sun sign descriptions vague?
note that you may not have all the traits of your sun sign but aspire or value them.

if your sun and ascendant are similar, like being of the same sign or same element, you should easily identify with them. That would be evidence.
In the case of our Australian friend i could always claim he is after all introvert because of pisces rising and you could claim that with so many influences any chart will do.
But when the main signs are similar theres no room for vagueness.
check if your sun and ascendants are of same element

earth- taurus,virgio,capricorn
fire- aries, leo,sagitarius,
water- cancer,scorpio,pisces
air-gemini, libra,aquarius

the exception is when there is a completely different planet conjunct the sun or ascendant, like sun conjunct saturn in aries or saturn in gemini ascendant

 

[Yubi]

Oh my! I'm sorry if I interrupt your testing or so but WOW! These descriptions are really AMAZINGLY vague. I knew astrology was bad in that respect but WOW! Is it really possible to get ANY idea of what suits best with so much general data in all different signs? Ah well, get on with the usual program...

I'm just stunned...

 

[idunno]

I should issue a correction. When I said "I've never been called an extrovert" I should have added "except by astrologers". It seems to be the one consistent error.

arthwollipot

i always foundTeri King´s description of sun-ascendant combo accurate at least in my family.
See if this is more accurate but note that it comes from a book, it may not all be true especially destiny, like the death of siblings

«ambitious, but tends to complicate things through indecison in professional matters,you need to be recognized and success, people are attracted to yor courteous and amiable manner.
fertile and intense imagination,that needs expression, but can deteorate in exageration and sensationaism.
you care a lot about the less fortunate and support them whenever possible..
restless,active and nervous, need to find time to relax.
susceptible , you are worried by strange fancies and ideas.As a result youre difficult to know.
benevolent and fair,meditative and poetic.
you may have many siblings and parents can be very helpful.

you may lose a sibling prematurely.
your father may have died prematurely.


negative- indecision, afraid of making mistakes,uo expect others to motivate yoi.

 

[idunno]

Oh my! I'm sorry if I interrupt your testing or so but WOW! These descriptions are really AMAZINGLY vague. I knew astrology was bad in that respect but WOW! Is it really possible to get ANY idea of what suits best with so much general data in all different signs? Ah well, get on with the usual program...

I'm just stunned...

mate, look for example at Aries and capricorn. Theyre completely different. Why vague?

 

[arthwollipot]

this is where it gets tricky.According to some astrologers but not all, some ~sagitarians are very extrovert, others the more introvert philosofical type, like winter fire. they can either be physical travellers or mental travellers

So astrologers can't agree with one another? One astrologer can say one thing and another can say another thing, and they are both right?

 

[arthwollipot]

Sorry, it might not be quite the form but.......................
I call Troll.
Someone's got to.
Evasion, obfuscation.......all the signs are there.

No. Not troll. Idunno has stuck around for discussion. That's not troll behaviour.

 

[arthwollipot]

For example, would a test that describes what kind of day I had yesterday be more reliable than a test that describes what kind of person I am? The test should look at whichever is the most reliable.

Yes - I agree. Astrologers are always telling us what kind of day we'll have tomorow - surely a prediction can be anonymously sent to an arbitrator and only looked at by the subject after the day in question has passed?

Or am I unfairly concentrating on newspaper astrologers?

 

[idunno]

So astrologers can't agree with one another? One astrologer can say one thing and another can say another thing, and they are both right?

well i met a lot of people this year and what im quicklly realising is that the rising sign is very important in determining extroversion. with pisces rising youre more likelçy to be a bit mute, and have a strong need to hide in your cave and use your imagination,dream...

 

[arthwollipot]

«ambitious, but tends to complicate things through indecison in professional matters,you need to be recognized and success, people are attracted to yor courteous and amiable manner.

Wrong. I seem just not to be ambitious. I do not aspire to higher position. This is causing a problem in that I can't afford to live in the style to which I would like to become accustomed.

fertile and intense imagination,that needs expression, but can deteorate in exageration and sensationaism.

Fertile and intense imagination, right. I'll give you that. Exaggeration and sensationalism, I'm not sure. I'll say wrong.

you care a lot about the less fortunate and support them whenever possible..

Wrong. While I care about them, I care more about myself, and I can't afford to support anyone else..

restless,active and nervous, need to find time to relax.

Wrong. I'm about the most laid back person I know. If I were any more laid back I'd be upside-down.

susceptible , you are worried by strange fancies and ideas.As a result youre difficult to know.

Wrong. Why do you think I post on a skeptic's forum?

benevolent and fair,meditative and poetic.

I won't give you "benevolent and fair" because that could describe anyone, and no-one will be willing to admit that they're malevolent and unfair. Meditative and poetic? Well, I think a lot - does that count? Wrong.

you may have many siblings and parents can be very helpful.

Wrong on the siblings, right on the parents. They want to give me 50 grand soon, and that will be VERY helpful.

you may lose a sibling prematurely.

Wrong. My only brother is still alive and kicking.

your father may have died prematurely.

Wrong. He's still alive and kicking too.

negative- indecision, afraid of making mistakes,uo expect others to motivate yoi.

Right. That describes me perfectly. Well done.

Out of 12 direct statements, you (or rather your book) got 3 right. That was a bit better than your original attempt.

 

[Yubi]

mate, look for example at Aries and capricorn. Theyre completely different. Why vague?

As in that most everyone could find quite enough that fits them in any of the horoscopes. That the one that fits the best would happen to be the "right" one, would be completely by chance.

I do admit though that for example Aries and Capricorn is quite different from one another. In my case Aries is the one that fits the least of all (I really have to stretch it to get anything right there), and it probably differs between people which one has the best or worst fit . But that is still quite uninteresting unless there is a high probability that the one that fits the best is actually the one it should be.

 

[idunno]

Wrong. I seem just not to be ambitious. I do not aspire to higher position. This is causing a problem in that I can't afford to live in the style to which I would like to become accustomed.



Fertile and intense imagination, right. I'll give you that. Exaggeration and sensationalism, I'm not sure. I'll say wrong.



Wrong. While I care about them, I care more about myself, and I can't afford to support anyone else..



Wrong. I'm about the most laid back person I know. If I were any more laid back I'd be upside-down.



Wrong. Why do you think I post on a skeptic's forum?



I won't give you "benevolent and fair" because that could describe anyone, and no-one will be willing to admit that they're malevolent and unfair. Meditative and poetic? Well, I think a lot - does that count? Wrong.



Wrong on the siblings, right on the parents. They want to give me 50 grand soon, and that will be VERY helpful.



Wrong. My only brother is still alive and kicking.



Wrong. He's still alive and kicking too.



Right. That describes me perfectly. Well done.

Out of 12 direct statements, you (or rather your book) got 3 right. That was a bit better than your original attempt.

thanks.
as for the «laid back», I should have known.Youre an Aussie, and we must bear in mind the influence of our surrondings.
The death predictions as i expected cannot be applied to all sagitarius-pisces rising.

 

[idunno]

As in that most everyone could find quite enough that fits them in any of the horoscopes. That the one that fits the best would happen to be the "right" one, would be completely by chance.

I do admit though that for example Aries and Capricorn is quite different from one another. In my case Aries is the one that fits the least of all (I really have to stretch it to get anything right there), and it probably differs between people which one has the best or worst fit . But that is still quite uninteresting unless there is a high probability that the one that fits the best is actually the one it should be.

i think the same goes for psychology types.
We have a bit of all though one predominates

 

[Yubi]

i think the same goes for psychology types.
We have a bit of all though one predominates

Yes, but astrology goes further. It couples the personality type with those star signs. If it is just a list of "personality types" where one might fit better than others, then it is not astrology, but possibly psychology. If in fact the best fit is seldom at the star sign it should be, there is simply no point with having the star signs at all. It suffices to call them "personality types" and skip all that star/planet mumbojumbo.

EDIT: Of course, there is quite a bit of nonsense in various areas of psychology as well, but that is a different issue...

EDIT AGAIN: I apologize if I sometimes come off as a bit harsh. It is not really my intention. It is partly my personality and partly a somewhat limited command of the english language.

 

[idunno]

Yes, but astrology goes further. It couples the personality type with those star signs. If it is just a list of "personality types" where one might fit better than others, then it is not astrology, but possibly psychology. If in fact the best fit is seldom at the star sign it should be, there is simply no point with having the star signs at all. It suffices to call them "personality types" and skip all that star/planet mumbojumbo.

EDIT: Of course, there is quite a bit of nonsense in various areas of psychology as well, but that is a different issue...

the problem is most tests are done in sun signs alone. Not surprise if they dont always fit.
but if sun and rising signs belong to same element, i daresay the person will agree with the interpretation

 

[sinnikal]

No. Not troll. Idunno has stuck around for discussion. That's not troll behaviour.

Check out hundreds of posts by SylviaRox and Bubblefish if you want to see stickiness from trolls

 

[idunno]

Check out hundreds of posts by SylviaRox and Bubblefish if you want to see stickiness from trolls

So a Troll is someone who wants to show something that goes aganist your personal biases.
Thats pretty Sinnical

 

[idunno]

if you want prepare the test. ill be back in a few hours

 

[arthwollipot]

thanks.
as for the «laid back», I should have known.Youre an Aussie, and we must bear in mind the influence of our surrondings.
The death predictions as i expected cannot be applied to all sagitarius-pisces rising.

Is there something about being an Australian that changes the way the stars influence one's life?

 

[idunno]

Is there something about being an Australian that changes the way the stars influence one's life?

yes, you walk upside down(grin)

see you in 2 hours

 

[delphi_ote]

So a Troll is someone who wants to show something that goes aganist your personal biases.

No. If you go back and check those threads, the individuals mentioned actually lied about their beliefs just to get a rise out of people. That is a troll. Some suspect you of the same behavior, mainly because you've acted so strangely.